Sorry I'm getting to this so late...
On 04/02/2015 03:48 PM, Andrew Stuart wrote:
What’s on your wishlist for the perfect Mailman web interface?
Well, the thing I find most frustrating about the current (2.X) Mailman
web interface is the Adminsitrative Database Results page. I manage a
bunch
Here's another one - some way to flag a held message to warn moderators that
its content is being discussed among moderators. It would be good if it was
impossible to approve a flagged message until the flag was removed, to avoid
accidental release.
I don't think there needs to be any
On 4/8/15 11:34 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
Andrew Stuart wrote:
What's on your wishlist for the perfect Mailman web interface?
It would be helpful to me if it somehow allowed an iOS browser to stay logged
in. I haven't found one that will - something to do with cookies expiring when
the app is
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 09:29:23AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
So, you do want to see the HTML content before it is interpreted by
your computer? :-)
As HTML is not executable code, interpreted is a misleading word
cPanel has been fairly quick (but not immediate) about merging our
updated releases with their custom mods, and making recent versions
available to their customers. I expect this will continue with updates
to Mailman 2.1.
OTOH, it may be more difficult for cPanel to incorporate Mailman 3.
On 04/08/2015 03:10 PM, William Bagwell wrote:
My web hosting upgraded from 2.1.17 to 2.1.18-1 on June 5 2014 so I'm
assuming cPanle customers (not end users like me) can upgrade Mailman when
they chose?
cPanel has been fairly quick (but not immediate) about merging our
updated releases
Quoting Adam McGreggor adam-mail...@amyl.org.uk:
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 02:31:50AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
The Justice Department has already said that the web is a place of
public accommodation, and the ADA applies. It is only a matter of
time before they issue specific
On Monday 06 April 2015, JB wrote:
Ive been gathering that based on the research I have been doing. I am
REALLY looking forward to the new version. As soon as it is out I will
have to put in a feature request to the cPanle folks to make the upgrade
ASAP. As an FYI, they are tad behind the
Andrew Stuart wrote:
What's on your wishlist for the perfect Mailman web interface?
It would be helpful to me if it somehow allowed an iOS browser to stay logged
in. I haven't found one that will - something to do with cookies expiring when
the app is in the background, I think.
Peter Shute
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 08:40:19PM -0700, JB wrote:
Not kicking anyone's cat here but if the ADA applies to web sites then
NO WEB PAGE EVER should be allowed to utilize that HORRIBLE 'flat'
design strategy. Pages such as the new ESPN page are EXTREMELY
difficult to read and sue for people
On 4/8/2015 6:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
All I asked for is that Mailman's web
UI should degrade gracefully when Javascript is turned off.
I'd ask for the same- a UI that -requires- JS to render into a usable page
is probably overly complex or heavy on the glitz/light on the
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 02:31:50AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
The only accessibility tool for the web that I'm familiar with is the
ALT attribute for IMG and other non-text elements of HTML.
I'm not an expert, but as I understand it, you can get a long way
towards good accessibility by
On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 09:29:23AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
So, you do want to see the HTML content before it is interpreted by
your computer? :-)
As HTML is not executable code, interpreted is a misleading word to
use. But taking it in the loosest possible way, no, of course not. I
have
On 04/08/2015 06:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
All I asked for is that Mailman's web
UI should degrade gracefully when Javascript is turned off. Is that so
wrong?
No it's not and Mailman's developers are highly sensitive to this.
I have not been very much involved in MM 3 development -
8.4.2015, 3:26, Stephen J. Turnbull kirjoitti:
(standards that don't start with RFC are
generally not on our required reading lists).
Please keep the details coming. We care, we just don't have the
cycles to do it ourselves without help.
As to WCAG 2.0, it's W3C's recommendation for Web
Executive summary:
1. Some aspects of accessibility (providing text alternatives for
non-text media) can be treated like translation (and will increase
the burden on translation!)
2. Frameworks need to help point out the pain points. Like: Yo!
there's an ALT-less image here that
Teijo writes:
As to WCAG 2.0, it's W3C's recommendation for Web Content Accessibility
Guidelines (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/).
Maybe this standard is better, but most W3C standards are not very
helpful to app developers. They're intended for library and framework
developers, as well as
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 08:31:04AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
I'm not happy when web sites *demand* that you run their untrusted and
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 02:31:50AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
The Justice Department has already said that the web is a place of
public accommodation, and the ADA applies. It is only a matter of
time before they issue specific regulations. So, in the near
future, anyone
On 4/6/2015 10:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
It's not just the popup windows. It's not just the sites that hijack the
right-click menu. It's not just the autoplay videos. It's not even the
browser crashes! (Mostly Opera, Firefox seems a bit more stable.) Any
one of them
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 06:50:55AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 4/6/2015 10:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
It's not just the popup windows. It's not just the sites that hijack the
right-click menu. It's not just the autoplay videos. It's not even the
browser crashes!
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
I'm not happy when web sites *demand* that you run their untrusted and
untrustworthy code in your computer before you can see the content.
How do you currently see the HTML content before it is interpreted by
your
6.4.2015, 2:17, David Andrews kirjoitti:
A reminder that any web UI, whether end user, or administrator, needs to
be accessible to disabled persons -- preferably it will use the WCAG 2.0
AA standards.
Have developers of Mailman 3 default web Ui kept this important point in
mind?
Best,
Sorry if I enter now in the thread at an arbitrary point.
Sincerely I'm rather happy with the *current* mailman interface, and in
particular I'm used to it.
Considered that there should be quite a large base of mailman lists
around, that they are unlikely to migrate to a new UI soon, and
Quoting Bill Cole mailmanu-20150...@billmail.scconsult.com:
On 6 Apr 2015, at 20:02, Andrew Stuart wrote:
Sounds like not working with JavaScript is something important to
you. What’s the thinking behind wanting to work without
JavaScript? Isn’t it kinda hard to navigate the modern web
On 6 Apr 2015, at 20:02, Andrew Stuart wrote:
Sounds like not working with JavaScript is something important to you.
What’s the thinking behind wanting to work without JavaScript?
Isn’t it kinda hard to navigate the modern web without JavaScript?
I don't know the original poster's
As someone who raised this issue 15 years ago and was seriously
rebuffed with lots of notes that said essentially this is a mailing
list and not a web forum I then started looking elsewhere.
Anyway, my NGO has put a lot into our web interface for our primarily
email based set of neighborhood
David Andrews writes:
A reminder that any web UI, whether end user, or
administrator, needs to be accessible to disabled
persons -- preferably it will use the WCAG 2.0 AA standards.
We do use industrial-strength web frameworks, mostly Django. To the
extent they support the
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 08:31:04AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
I'm not happy when web sites *demand* that you run their untrusted and
untrustworthy code in your computer before you can see the content.
How do you
At 07:26 PM 4/7/2015, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
David Andrews writes:
A reminder that any web UI, whether end user, or
administrator, needs to be accessible to disabled
persons -- preferably it will use the WCAG 2.0 AA standards.
We do use industrial-strength web frameworks, mostly
Not kicking anyone's cat here but if the ADA applies to web sites then NO WEB
PAGE EVER should be allowed to utilize that HORRIBLE 'flat' design strategy.
Pages such as the new ESPN page are EXTREMELY difficult to read and sue for
people who have vision and reading disabilities.
Having said
Sounds like not working with JavaScript is something important to you. What’s
the thinking behind wanting to work without JavaScript? Isn’t it kinda hard to
navigate the modern web without JavaScript?
as
On 7 Apr 2015, at 9:48 am, J.B. Nicholson-Owens j...@forestfield.org wrote:
Andrew
Andrew Stuart wrote:
Any killer features that you’d like to see in the perfect Mailman web
interface?
Thanks for asking.
Such an interface would work completely without running any Javascript
to do anything the interface can do. If Javascript is turned off in the
browser, the interface
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:02:32AM +1000, Andrew Stuart wrote:
Sounds like not working with JavaScript is something important to you.
What’s the thinking behind wanting to work without JavaScript? Isn’t
it kinda hard to navigate the modern web without JavaScript?
Yes it is, but not as
was this...
Change Log for 11.44.0.2
Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:35 AM
Fixed case 99393: Updated mailman to 2.1.18-1.
On Mon, 4/6/15, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] What would your dream Mailman web interface look
At 02:48 PM 4/2/2015, Andrew Stuart wrote:
Whatâs on your wishlist for the perfect
Mailman web interface? If you can provide links
to show where your ideas are done well that
would help to illustrate your thoughts. Any
killer features that youâd like to see in the perfect Mailman web
On Apr 5, 2015 7:27 PM, David Andrews dandr...@visi.com wrote:
At 02:48 PM 4/2/2015, Andrew Stuart wrote:
What’s on your wishlist for the perfect Mailman web interface? If you
can provide links to show where your ideas are done well that would help to
illustrate your thoughts. Any killer
.
On Sun, 4/5/15, David Andrews dandr...@visi.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] What would your dream Mailman web interface look
like?
To: Andrew Stuart andrew.stu...@supercoders.com.au,
mailman-users@python.org
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2015, 7:17 PM
At 02
On 04/05/2015 09:33 PM, JB wrote:
There should be no predefined interface, at least none that is not
customizable in any way what so ever. As a web developer I should make the
decision on the look and feel on my end so that for each site I build, I can
completely customize every aspect of
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 06:48:12AM +1100, Andrew Stuart wrote:
What’s on your wishlist for the perfect Mailman web interface?
If you can provide links to show where your ideas are done well that would
help to illustrate your thoughts.
Any killer features that you’d like to see in the
What’s on your wishlist for the perfect Mailman web interface?
If you can provide links to show where your ideas are done well that would help
to illustrate your thoughts.
Any killer features that you’d like to see in the perfect Mailman web interface?
as
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