Re: [Mailman-Users] Customize "From" when munging it for DMARC?

On 8/4/2017 12:51 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I'm aware of issues with Microsoft services adding 'spoofing' warnings > to messages where the From: address and the To: address are the same. > Is this what you were referring to by "Setting it to the list name > interacts badly with outloook.com and

Re: [Mailman-Users] Customize "From" when munging it for DMARC?

On 8/4/2017 8:24 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 08/03/2017 07:15 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: >> Is there a way to control the From value when it gets munged so we pass >> DMARC? > There's no configuration for it, but it's a simple patch. Thanks. Alas, I'm a hosting-provider custom

Re: [Mailman-Users] Customize "From" when munging it for DMARC?

On 8/4/2017 2:32 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> My theory is that MS is (wrongly) dropping the "To" copy of list1 from >> the reply because it's the From, and then (correctly) using the Reply-To >> instead of the From. > It looks to me as if your theory is correct, except I wouldn't say > "wrongly". I

[Mailman-Users] Customize "From" when munging it for DMARC?

Is there a way to control the From value when it gets munged so we pass DMARC? Setting it to the list name interacts badly with outloook.com and hotmail.com replies. Since the From address really isn't used (because there's a Reply-To), it seems like it could be anything that's at the host

Re: [Mailman-Users] Customize "From" when munging it for DMARC?

On 8/6/2017 11:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Unfortunately, you can assume that the large freemail services do not > care what you think. Yep. 50% :-) 50% :-( > I'm not sure why they've all gone substantially > downhill in the last decade, but they have. Probably they get > complaints

[Mailman-Users] Wish list: bounce notifications

My mailing list is hosted on a low-cost service with shared servers and so a couple of times a year some other customer gets them onto a spam blacklist and mail starts bouncing.  I need to know about those situations ASAP so that I can prod the provider into fixing the problem and requesting

Re: [Mailman-Users] Wish list: bounce notifications

On 10/11/2017 11:53 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/11/2017 07:46 AM, Jordan Brown wrote: >> What I'd like would be a way to ask Mailman to notify me on *every* >> bounce, without disabling the user. >> >> (Or, of course, if there's just something I've missed in the conf

Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing archived spam

On 11/11/2017 11:04 AM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > On 2017-11-11 12:22, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> Heh, I just looked at that myself.  How did such a useless tool ever >> become standard? > My guess is IIRC SunOS was on Solaris 8 by 2001, and it was *the* > grown-up 64-bit unix: every other unix

Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to the List

On 12/7/2017 10:21 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > This is a religious dispute. Yep. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security

Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to the List

On 12/7/2017 9:15 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > On 12/07/17 00:43, Ron Beatteay via Mailman-Users wrote: >> Hi all,  >> I’m new to mailman.  My previous Listserv platform ( LSoft ) made it easy to >> reply to discussions by automatically sending replies to the list.  With >> mailman, replies go

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

On 1/24/2018 12:50 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I think there's an obvious algorithm for "smart single reply": > > 1. If there is a Reply-To, address the message to Reply-To. > 2. Else if there is a List-Post, address the message to List-Post. > 3. Else address the message to From. (If

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

On 1/24/2018 4:48 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > On 01/24/2018 10:40 AM, Jordan Brown wrote: >> If a message had only List-Post and From, that wouldn't get the >> result that I would want.  I would want Reply to go to the author. As >> a list member, I co

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

On 1/24/2018 9:19 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > I understand your logic.  It seems reasonable enough.  I still > disagree with it.  -  By the way the sun is purple.  ;-)  We can agree > to disagree. I think that's probably the end result :-) >> And yes, those are all very real

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

On 1/28/2018 8:40 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I believe that many users think > of mailing lists as fundamentally different from personal email, and > they would like their MUAs to distinguish automatically. This > algorithm, I believe, would do a pretty good job of that. This particular

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

[ Feh.  My biggest MUA<->ML nuisance is that I don't have a way to force replies to use the custom From address that I use for that mailing list.  Grant, sorry for the dup. ] On 1/30/2018 3:42 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > On 01/30/2018 03:11 PM, Jordan Br

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

On 1/30/2018 6:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/30/2018 04:53 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: >> (that is, first_strip_reply_to=No, reply_goes_to_list=This List) >> >> Then if user A sends a message to the list without a Reply-To, replies >> will go to the list, but if user B

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

On 1/30/2018 11:46 AM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > The more we discuss this and the longer that this thread goes on, > makes me think that this should be a user configurable action that the > MUA prompts the user for what they want to reply to in the ambiguous case. Even getting

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

On 1/30/2018 1:33 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > So I'm curious how the Reply-To: being set to the same thing as the > From: causes any problems here. There are those who would consider it a problem if your mailing list is (mis:-)configured to add "Reply-To: " if there is no existing

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

On 1/30/2018 2:09 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > The only problem then is list mail will seldom land in the list > sub-folders as the direct replies should almost always come first and > land in inbox. That depends entirely on how you design your filters.  My Mailman filter looks for From, To, CC,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

On 1/29/2018 9:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > (And that's another of the key items:  the "Reply-To: " > > configuration makes it *difficult* to reply to the author, and that > > seems just plain rude.) > > Why? Nobody is talking about taking away anybody's Reply-To-Author > function,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

[ This was getting pretty long and a bit repetitive, so I trimmed it brutally.  It's still pretty long, sigh. ] On 2/6/2018 2:09 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > But:  in my work contexts, it is quite common for a discussion to span > > two teams.  Again, a "reply" that goes to the List-Post

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

On 2/5/2018 12:29 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > The question I asked, which you misinterpreted completely IMO, and > Grant partially agreed with is "Does an algorithm which 1. gives > overriding precedence to Reply-To, 2. otherwise if List-Post is > present directs it there, and 3. finally

Re: [Mailman-Users] options for dealing with DMARC

[ Today is not my day for getting details right.  Sigh. ] On 12/28/2017 11:57 AM, Jordan Brown wrote: > I've been running my mailing list for a few years with "Munge From" to > defend against DMARC rejection.  This means that my messages get > > From: Joe User <m

[Mailman-Users] options for dealing with DMARC

I've been running my mailing list for a few years with "Munge From" to defend against DMARC rejection.  This means that my messages get From: Joe User Reply-To: Joe User That mostly works, but sometimes confuses people a bit, and just now

Re: [Mailman-Users] options for dealing with DMARC

[ Mark, sorry for the dup.  Sent from the wrong address, so the copy to the mailing list bounced. ] On 12/28/2017 1:27 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/28/2017 11:57 AM, Jordan Brown wrote: >> That's leading me to wonder whether there's another way, whether I can >> leave From alon

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

On 7/27/2018 4:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > Yes, there are existing formats that at least mostly represent this in > the message itself, but not for display. Especially that currently the > wrapping message would say it is from the list, but you really want > some way for it to say that in the

Re: [Mailman-Users] ARC

On 7/25/2018 2:53 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Note that if I were intuit.com's CISO, I would fight tooth and nail > against the system you suggest, because it implies that I have DKIM > private keys for all those subdomains owned by clients. Every spammer > in the world would be trying to

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

On 7/25/2018 5:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > Yes, one set of solutions would involve defining standards of how to > compose composite messages, with standards on how to display them. A > major part of the current issue is that for anything more than a > single part plain text you can't be sure how

Re: [Mailman-Users] ARC

On 7/26/2018 9:19 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Jordan Brown writes: > > > Well, yeah, but to provide such a service in a way that has any > > resemblance to being secure, Intuit *must* have some secret that allows > > it to send mail "from" those s

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

Hmm.  It would take MUA changes to be fully effective, but a possibility that comes to mind is to have mailing lists leave the original message absolutely unmodified, but wrap it in a message that comes "from" the mailing list.  That way everything about the message is verifiably true. A