[Mailman-Users] Re: Need to add two addresses to a bunch of lists as allowed senders.

[Chip Davis]

I used to allow 'accept_these_nonmembers' for discussion list members 
who just couldn't seem to remember their subscription address.  This 
was true even when replying to a post due to forwards they had set up.


Then we reached the point that most of the members had multiple 
addresses and a majority wanted multiple 'accept_' addresses. 
Maintenance of those addresses became a major headache, primarily 
because there is apparently no way to associate a name with an address 
in the 'accept_' list.  Also, members would leave by unsubbing their 
primary address but had no way to delete their 'accept_' addresses.


These are discussion groups for membership organizations, so I finally 
put my foot down and said "no alternate addresses", and somehow 
everyone manages to remember their subscription address. The only 
reason I use 'accept_' addresses is for temporary special cases like 
non-members involved in special projects.


-Chip-

On 4/10/2021 8:48 AM, Christian Buser via Mailman-Users wrote:

Hi Jürgen

You need to get the other addresses of the users into your server anyway. I do 
not think a user would subscribe with an address and then again with the other 
- and probably he doesn’t even know that there is a possibility of a „silent“ 
subscription.

You have to maintain the list of „non-members whose messages are accepted“ the 
same way. I do not see any automatism. Your „work load“ remains the same.

When a message needs moderation (because someone is subscribed with a different 
address), I can manually add his „new“ address with the „no message“ option 
ticked.

Our server does not send automated membership reminders or password reminders.

Grüsse aus Helvetien
Christian




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[Mailman-Users] Re: Need to add two addresses to a bunch of lists as allowed senders.

[Mark Sapiro]

Just a couple of minor points:

If a user has multiple addresses, some set to no mail, all the addresses
will receive monthly password reminder email unless the address's
options have Get password reminder email for this list? set to No.

When moderating a held nonmember post there is a checkbox and radio buttons

Add marksap...@gmail.com to one of these sender filters:
   Accepts Holds   Rejects Discards

so it is simple to add the address to one of the *_these_nonmembers
lists while acting on the held message.  Adding the address as a member
and then setting it to nomail and perhaps setting its Get password
reminder email for this list? option is two or three more steps.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Need to add two addresses to a bunch of lists as allowed senders.

[Christian Buser via Mailman-Users]

Hi Jürgen 

You need to get the other addresses of the users into your server anyway. I do 
not think a user would subscribe with an address and then again with the other 
- and probably he doesn’t even know that there is a possibility of a „silent“ 
subscription. 

You have to maintain the list of „non-members whose messages are accepted“ the 
same way. I do not see any automatism. Your „work load“ remains the same. 

When a message needs moderation (because someone is subscribed with a different 
address), I can manually add his „new“ address with the „no message“ option 
ticked. 

Our server does not send automated membership reminders or password reminders.  

Grüsse aus Helvetien
Christian 

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> Am 10.04.2021 um 14:27 schrieb Juergen Dollinger 
> :
> 
> Christian Buser via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> I never really understood the option ‘accept_these_nonmembers’ - but I
>> would anyway not use it.
> 
> Many people have more than one E-mailadress, but the other
> E-mailadresses are forwarded. If they write to a Mailing list they
> don't remember which adress they used to subscribe. If the mailing
> list is writing for subscribers only (which I recommend in most cases)
> the moderator gets a lot to moderate until most of these extra adresses
> are allowed to post to the list.
> 
> I usually have long lists there.
> 
> For the same reason users often have problems when unsubscribing.
> 
>> If these are users who should be able to post messages but not want to
>> receive any messages, I would add them to the subscriber list and set
>> their mail delivery to "no message". 
> 
> Should do nearly the same thing, but brakes the principle that all
> subscribers subcribed theirselfs with a will of its own. Do these
> users get an extra monthly membership reminder?
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Need to add two addresses to a bunch of lists as allowed senders.

[Juergen Dollinger]

Christian Buser via Mailman-Users wrote:
> I never really understood the option ‘accept_these_nonmembers’ - but I
> would anyway not use it.

Many people have more than one E-mailadress, but the other
E-mailadresses are forwarded. If they write to a Mailing list they
don't remember which adress they used to subscribe. If the mailing
list is writing for subscribers only (which I recommend in most cases)
the moderator gets a lot to moderate until most of these extra adresses
are allowed to post to the list.

I usually have long lists there.

For the same reason users often have problems when unsubscribing.

> If these are users who should be able to post messages but not want to
> receive any messages, I would add them to the subscriber list and set
> their mail delivery to "no message". 

Should do nearly the same thing, but brakes the principle that all
subscribers subcribed theirselfs with a will of its own. Do these
users get an extra monthly membership reminder?

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Need to add two addresses to a bunch of lists as allowed senders.

[Bruce Johnson]

Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Mark!

> On Apr 9, 2021, at 2:36 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> 
> On 4/9/21 1:07 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> l am mildly familiar with withlist and python but my google-fu today is 
>> weak, I haven’t found any example of this. The setting is 
>> ‘accept_these_nonmembers’ which I’m assuming is stored as a list in the 
>> database; do I need to retrieve it and append the new addresses to it? 
>> 
>> Can anyone point me to an example of doing something like this (or better, 
>> point me to one someone else has already made!  )
> 
> 
> See the script at 
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Need to add two addresses to a bunch of lists as allowed senders.

[Mark Sapiro]

On 4/9/21 1:07 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> l am mildly familiar with withlist and python but my google-fu today is weak, 
> I haven’t found any example of this. The setting is ‘accept_these_nonmembers’ 
> which I’m assuming is stored as a list in the database; do I need to retrieve 
> it and append the new addresses to it? 
> 
> Can anyone point me to an example of doing something like this (or better, 
> point me to one someone else has already made!  )


See the script at 

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Need to add two addresses to a bunch of lists as allowed senders.

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 9, 2021, at 1:57 PM, Christian Buser 
mailto:lusche...@yahoo.de>> wrote:

Hi Bruce

I never really understood the option ‘accept_these_nonmembers’ - but I
would anyway not use it.

The issue here is for moderated class lists and this is pretty much exactly the 
use case for that option, afaik.


If these are users who should be able to post messages but not want to
receive any messages, I would add them to the subscriber list and set
their mail delivery to "no message". In a cPanel installation, this is a
tick mark next to the address which needs to be set.

I am looking for a way to NOT have to do this for each list individually; also 
these lists are updated via an entirely separate process nightly from our 
student database tables, so adding people as members-but-not-recievers would 
require an extra step of processing for all these lists to be implemented in 
our nightly scripts.



Bruce Johnson schrieb am 09.04.21 um 22:07:
l am mildly familiar with withlist and python but my google-fu today is weak, I 
haven’t found any example of this. The setting is ‘accept_these_nonmembers’ 
which I’m assuming is stored as a list in the database; do I need to retrieve 
it and append the new addresses to it?

Can anyone point me to an example of doing something like this (or better, 
point me to one someone else has already made!  )




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[Mailman-Users] Re: Need to add two addresses to a bunch of lists as allowed senders.

[Christian Buser via Mailman-Users]

Hi Bruce

I never really understood the option ‘accept_these_nonmembers’ - but I
would anyway not use it.

If these are users who should be able to post messages but not want to
receive any messages, I would add them to the subscriber list and set
their mail delivery to "no message". In a cPanel installation, this is a
tick mark next to the address which needs to be set.

Christian


Bruce Johnson schrieb am 09.04.21 um 22:07:
> l am mildly familiar with withlist and python but my google-fu today is weak, 
> I haven’t found any example of this. The setting is ‘accept_these_nonmembers’ 
> which I’m assuming is stored as a list in the database; do I need to retrieve 
> it and append the new addresses to it? 
>
> Can anyone point me to an example of doing something like this (or better, 
> point me to one someone else has already made!  )
>
>

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