Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Dominik Hoffmann]

On 09/04/2016 12:53 AM, Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> now I’m stuck here:
> 
> local[74919]: fatal: execvp /usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman: No such file or 
> directory
> 
> local is owned by postfix so far I found out.
> What I can’t find is where this line is to be able to correct it (Spotlight 
> also finds nothing)
> 
> thanks
> Matthias 

Hallo, Matthias,

How did you solve your problem. I have the same issue, but the mailing list 
thread doesn't show, what you did to address this, only that it evidently 
ceased to be broken.

Yours,

Dominik Hoffmann
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users]

Timothy,

thanks for the tip, but I do not intend to install MacPorts as I had different 
experiences with it in the past.

Besides that, mailman is now running fine now.

The only problem left is that the include of the cgi link of the mailman config 
is not working with the current Apache setup.
I guess it has something to do with the new way Apple handles every website 
hosted on the box through a proxy and I still need to find out how that works - 
will do so tomorrow ;-)

If you don’t mind, you could post your config for your website hosting your 
list.

thanks
Matthias

> Am 05.09.2016 um 02:52 schrieb Timothy Jasionowski :
> 
> I think I may have sent this directly, but...
> 
> Mattias,
> 
> I had good luck installing mailman on El Capitan/Server 5 using MacPorts, as 
> it manages all the dependencies and integrates all the chron jobs and startup 
> stuff, but due to some legacy issues with the MacPorts configuration file, 
> the build appends the .cgi prefix in the URI construction. It, otherwise, 
> works fine. It avoided a lot of the issues you had in configuring it and, 
> more importantly, maintaining it.
> 
> If you want to get rid of the extension, download macports, refresh the build 
> index, then edit the macports mailman build file, replacing:
> 
> configure.args  --with-cgi-ext=.cgi \
> --with-cgi-gid=${cgigroup} \
> 
> with
> 
> configure.args  --with-cgi-gid=${cgigroup} \
> 
> Thanks again to Marius Schamschula for that tip, as it drove me crazy.
> 
> Timothy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 11:53, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 09/04/2016 01:56 AM, Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users wrote:
>>> sorry for being such a pain today _/\_
>>> 
>>> now the webinterface is not coming up.
>>> It looks like the cgi is not executed instead a 404 error is generated
>>> 
>>> my mailman.conf for apache looks like that (it’s basically the same as on 
>>> 10.6, I just changed the path):
>>> 
>>> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>> 
>> 
>> This is OK, but ...
>> 
>> 
>>> Alias /pipermail/ "/var/mailman/archives/public/"
>>> 
>>>   Options FollowSymLinks MultiViews Indexes
>>>   AllowOverride None
>>>   Order allow,deny
>>>   Allow from all
>>> 
>>> 
>>> it is included with http.conf
>>> 
>>> for the site I have a redirect:
>>> RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI} ^liste\.dinj\.de.$
>>> RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/listinfo/dinj  
>>> [L,R=permanent]
>>> and that stuff was working on 10.6
>> 
>> 
>> And all that does is redirect 'http(s)://liste.dinj.de/' to
>> 'https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/listinfo/dinj'
>> 
>> 
>>> the logs say this:
>>> [Sun Sep 04 17:41:42.375938 2016] [:debug] [pid 95364] 
>>> mod_hfs_apple2.c(397): [client 127.0.0.1:59199] mod_hfs_apple: Allowing 
>>> access with matching directory. filename = /WebFolder/dinj/mailman
>>> [Sun Sep 04 17:41:42.375977 2016] [core:info] [pid 95364] [client 
>>> 127.0.0.1:59199] AH00128: File does not exist: 
>>> /WebFolder/dinj/mailman/listinfo/dinj
>> 
>> 
>> So why is Apache looking for /WebFolder/dinj/mailman/listinfo/dinj? Is
>> /WebFolder/dinj the DocumentRoot?
>> 
>> Does this happen with any mailman URL? If you go to
>> 'https://liste.dinj.de/mailman/admin/dinj' do you get a similar 404 or
>> only if you go to' https://liste.dinj.de/'.
>> 
>> Somehow your 'ScriptAlias /mailman/' directive is not effective. In a
>> more or less normal apache configuration it is not sufficient to put
>> mailman.conf in /etc/apache2/conf.d/, you must also have a symlink to it
>> in /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/. I have no idea if this applies to Mac OX
>> X Server, but you need to look at your Include and IncludeOptional
>> directives in the main apache2.conf or whatever it's called to ensure
>> that mailman.conf is directly or indirectly included.
>> 
>> 
>>> /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ has permissions set to 775
>> 
>> 
>> It should be 2775 (drwxrwsr-w) but the important thing is the files
>> therein should be 2755 (-rwxr-sr-x).
>> 
>> --
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>> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
>> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Timothy Jasionowski]

I think I may have sent this directly, but...

Mattias,

I had good luck installing mailman on El Capitan/Server 5 using MacPorts, as it 
manages all the dependencies and integrates all the chron jobs and startup 
stuff, but due to some legacy issues with the MacPorts configuration file, the 
build appends the .cgi prefix in the URI construction. It, otherwise, works 
fine. It avoided a lot of the issues you had in configuring it and, more 
importantly, maintaining it. 

If you want to get rid of the extension, download macports, refresh the build 
index, then edit the macports mailman build file, replacing:

configure.args  --with-cgi-ext=.cgi \
 --with-cgi-gid=${cgigroup} \

with

configure.args  --with-cgi-gid=${cgigroup} \

Thanks again to Marius Schamschula for that tip, as it drove me crazy. 

Timothy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 11:53, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> 
>> On 09/04/2016 01:56 AM, Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> sorry for being such a pain today _/\_
>> 
>> now the webinterface is not coming up.
>> It looks like the cgi is not executed instead a 404 error is generated
>> 
>> my mailman.conf for apache looks like that (it’s basically the same as on 
>> 10.6, I just changed the path):
>> 
>> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
> 
> 
> This is OK, but ...
> 
> 
>> Alias /pipermail/ "/var/mailman/archives/public/"
>> 
>>Options FollowSymLinks MultiViews Indexes
>>AllowOverride None
>>Order allow,deny
>>Allow from all
>> 
>> 
>> it is included with http.conf
>> 
>> for the site I have a redirect:
>> RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI} ^liste\.dinj\.de.$
>> RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/listinfo/dinj  
>> [L,R=permanent]
>> and that stuff was working on 10.6
> 
> 
> And all that does is redirect 'http(s)://liste.dinj.de/' to
> 'https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/listinfo/dinj'
> 
> 
>> the logs say this:
>> [Sun Sep 04 17:41:42.375938 2016] [:debug] [pid 95364] 
>> mod_hfs_apple2.c(397): [client 127.0.0.1:59199] mod_hfs_apple: Allowing 
>> access with matching directory. filename = /WebFolder/dinj/mailman
>> [Sun Sep 04 17:41:42.375977 2016] [core:info] [pid 95364] [client 
>> 127.0.0.1:59199] AH00128: File does not exist: 
>> /WebFolder/dinj/mailman/listinfo/dinj
> 
> 
> So why is Apache looking for /WebFolder/dinj/mailman/listinfo/dinj? Is
> /WebFolder/dinj the DocumentRoot?
> 
> Does this happen with any mailman URL? If you go to
> 'https://liste.dinj.de/mailman/admin/dinj' do you get a similar 404 or
> only if you go to' https://liste.dinj.de/'.
> 
> Somehow your 'ScriptAlias /mailman/' directive is not effective. In a
> more or less normal apache configuration it is not sufficient to put
> mailman.conf in /etc/apache2/conf.d/, you must also have a symlink to it
> in /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/. I have no idea if this applies to Mac OX
> X Server, but you need to look at your Include and IncludeOptional
> directives in the main apache2.conf or whatever it's called to ensure
> that mailman.conf is directly or indirectly included.
> 
> 
>> /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ has permissions set to 775
> 
> 
> It should be 2775 (drwxrwsr-w) but the important thing is the files
> therein should be 2755 (-rwxr-sr-x).
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/04/2016 01:56 AM, Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users wrote:
> sorry for being such a pain today _/\_
> 
> now the webinterface is not coming up.
> It looks like the cgi is not executed instead a 404 error is generated
> 
> my mailman.conf for apache looks like that (it’s basically the same as on 
> 10.6, I just changed the path):
> 
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"


This is OK, but ...


> Alias /pipermail/ "/var/mailman/archives/public/"
> 
>   Options FollowSymLinks MultiViews Indexes
>   AllowOverride None
>   Order allow,deny
>   Allow from all
> 
> 
> it is included with http.conf
> 
> for the site I have a redirect:
> RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI} ^liste\.dinj\.de.$
> RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/listinfo/dinj  
> [L,R=permanent]
> and that stuff was working on 10.6


And all that does is redirect 'http(s)://liste.dinj.de/' to
'https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/listinfo/dinj'


> the logs say this:
> [Sun Sep 04 17:41:42.375938 2016] [:debug] [pid 95364] mod_hfs_apple2.c(397): 
> [client 127.0.0.1:59199] mod_hfs_apple: Allowing access with matching 
> directory. filename = /WebFolder/dinj/mailman
> [Sun Sep 04 17:41:42.375977 2016] [core:info] [pid 95364] [client 
> 127.0.0.1:59199] AH00128: File does not exist: 
> /WebFolder/dinj/mailman/listinfo/dinj


So why is Apache looking for /WebFolder/dinj/mailman/listinfo/dinj? Is
/WebFolder/dinj the DocumentRoot?

Does this happen with any mailman URL? If you go to
'https://liste.dinj.de/mailman/admin/dinj' do you get a similar 404 or
only if you go to' https://liste.dinj.de/'.

Somehow your 'ScriptAlias /mailman/' directive is not effective. In a
more or less normal apache configuration it is not sufficient to put
mailman.conf in /etc/apache2/conf.d/, you must also have a symlink to it
in /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/. I have no idea if this applies to Mac OX
X Server, but you need to look at your Include and IncludeOptional
directives in the main apache2.conf or whatever it's called to ensure
that mailman.conf is directly or indirectly included.


> /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ has permissions set to 775


It should be 2775 (drwxrwsr-w) but the important thing is the files
therein should be 2755 (-rwxr-sr-x).

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San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users]

sorry for being such a pain today _/\_

now the webinterface is not coming up.
It looks like the cgi is not executed instead a 404 error is generated

my mailman.conf for apache looks like that (it’s basically the same as on 10.6, 
I just changed the path):

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
Alias /pipermail/ "/var/mailman/archives/public/"

Options FollowSymLinks MultiViews Indexes
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all


it is included with http.conf

for the site I have a redirect:
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI} ^liste\.dinj\.de.$
RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/listinfo/dinj  [L,R=permanent]

and that stuff was working on 10.6

the logs say this:
[Sun Sep 04 17:41:42.375938 2016] [:debug] [pid 95364] mod_hfs_apple2.c(397): 
[client 127.0.0.1:59199] mod_hfs_apple: Allowing access with matching 
directory. filename = /WebFolder/dinj/mailman
[Sun Sep 04 17:41:42.375977 2016] [core:info] [pid 95364] [client 
127.0.0.1:59199] AH00128: File does not exist: 
/WebFolder/dinj/mailman/listinfo/dinj

/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ has permissions set to 775

thanks again
Matthias


> Am 04.09.2016 um 14:06 schrieb Mark Sapiro :
> 
> On 09/03/2016 09:53 PM, Matthias Schmidt wrote:
>> 
>> now I’m stuck here:
>> local[74919]: fatal: execvp /usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman: No such file or 
>> directory
>> 
>> local is owned by postfix so far I found out.
>> What I can’t find is where this line is to be able to correct it (Spotlight 
>> also finds nothing)
> 
> 
> It's in your Postfix aliases for Mailman.
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/03/2016 09:53 PM, Matthias Schmidt wrote:
> 
> now I’m stuck here:
> local[74919]: fatal: execvp /usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman: No such file or 
> directory
> 
> local is owned by postfix so far I found out.
> What I can’t find is where this line is to be able to correct it (Spotlight 
> also finds nothing)


It's in your Postfix aliases for Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users]

Hello,

now I’m stuck here:
local[74919]: fatal: execvp /usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman: No such file or 
directory

local is owned by postfix so far I found out.
What I can’t find is where this line is to be able to correct it (Spotlight 
also finds nothing)

thanks
Matthias

> Am 04.09.2016 um 01:10 schrieb Mark Sapiro :
> 
> On 09/03/2016 08:48 AM, Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve been updating a MacOS10.6 Server to Server 5 (elCapitan).
>> Mailman is not shipped anymore with the current version.
>> So I downloaded 2.1.23, installed the lat version of phyton as well as 
>> dnsphyton.
>> Then I copied the old mailman folders over to /usr/local/mailman and 
>> /var/mailman
>> Then I ran configure and the installation went through.
>> but when I try to start mailman I get this error:
>> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 106, in 
>>from Mailman import mm_cfg
>> ImportError: No module named Mailman
> 
> 
> It would appear that there is some confusion, probably due to the
> '--prefix' and '--with-var-prefix' you configured with not being
> correct. It looks like they should be --prefix=/usr/local/mailman
> --with-var-prefix=/var/mailman.
> 
> What's in /usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py for 'prefix =' and is there a
> Mailman directory and a Mailman/__init__.py file in that directory?
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users]

Mark,

thanks.
> Am 04.09.2016 um 01:10 schrieb Mark Sapiro :
> 
> On 09/03/2016 08:48 AM, Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve been updating a MacOS10.6 Server to Server 5 (elCapitan).
>> Mailman is not shipped anymore with the current version.
>> So I downloaded 2.1.23, installed the lat version of phyton as well as 
>> dnsphyton.
>> Then I copied the old mailman folders over to /usr/local/mailman and 
>> /var/mailman
>> Then I ran configure and the installation went through.
>> but when I try to start mailman I get this error:
>> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 106, in 
>>from Mailman import mm_cfg
>> ImportError: No module named Mailman
> 
> 
> It would appear that there is some confusion, probably due to the
> '--prefix' and '--with-var-prefix' you configured with not being
> correct. It looks like they should be --prefix=/usr/local/mailman
> —with-var-prefix=/var/mailman.

I ran configure again like this:
mailman-2.1.23/configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman 
--with-var-prefix=/var/mailman

> 
> What’s in /usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py for 'prefix =' and is there a

ah: the old path to the 10.6 installation
prefix = ‘/usr/share/mailman'
and it should be
prefix:’/usr/local/mailman’

> Mailman directory and a Mailman/__init__.py file in that directory?

yes

seams mailman at least starts after I corrected the prefix, but it’s not yet 
working.
I guess I have to do some more digging into the postfix setup ;-)

thanks again
Matthias

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

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On 09/03/2016 08:48 AM, Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users wrote:
> 
> I’ve been updating a MacOS10.6 Server to Server 5 (elCapitan).
> Mailman is not shipped anymore with the current version.
> So I downloaded 2.1.23, installed the lat version of phyton as well as 
> dnsphyton.
> Then I copied the old mailman folders over to /usr/local/mailman and 
> /var/mailman
> Then I ran configure and the installation went through.
> but when I try to start mailman I get this error:
> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 106, in 
> from Mailman import mm_cfg
> ImportError: No module named Mailman


It would appear that there is some confusion, probably due to the
'--prefix' and '--with-var-prefix' you configured with not being
correct. It looks like they should be --prefix=/usr/local/mailman
--with-var-prefix=/var/mailman.

What's in /usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py for 'prefix =' and is there a
Mailman directory and a Mailman/__init__.py file in that directory?

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[Mailman-Users] Update mailman MacServer5

[Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users]

Hello,

I’ve been updating a MacOS10.6 Server to Server 5 (elCapitan).
Mailman is not shipped anymore with the current version.
So I downloaded 2.1.23, installed the lat version of phyton as well as 
dnsphyton.
Then I copied the old mailman folders over to /usr/local/mailman and 
/var/mailman
Then I ran configure and the installation went through.
but when I try to start mailman I get this error:
File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 106, in 
from Mailman import mm_cfg
ImportError: No module named Mailman

All what I found on google is more about Linux installations …

So I guess I’m missing something here.

Thanks for help
Matthias



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