Re: [Mailman-Users] Accept vs Approve wording on moderator pages

[Richard Damon]

On 3/4/18 4:30 PM, Peter Shute wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:


Is anyone bothered by this?

Now that I know it has a history, I could become quite fond of it.

If it comes down to definitions of each word, I'm fine with either, although I 
generally talk to other moderators about approving messages and subscriptions 
rather than accepting.

Peter Shute
Yes, the terminology I am used to is that when you make the decision to 
release a message or allow a subscription, you are 'Approving' it (you 
may not agree with it, but you have decided that it passes all the 
requirements to be allowed on the list).


You can also put the person on the Accept list, which will remove the 
need for a moderator to Approve each of their messages and the list will 
just automatically Accept it (unless it falls under some filter that 
holds/rejects/discards it).


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accept vs Approve wording on moderator pages

[Peter Shute]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Is anyone bothered by this?

Now that I know it has a history, I could become quite fond of it.

If it comes down to definitions of each word, I'm fine with either, although I 
generally talk to other moderators about approving messages and subscriptions 
rather than accepting.

Peter Shute
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accept vs Approve wording on moderator pages

[Carl Zwanzig]

(This based on my understanding of modern English usage in the USA. YMMV)

On 3/2/2018 11:03 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

but that leaves an inconsistency on the summary page itself with (un)subs
being "Approved" and messages being "Accepted".
That's not necessarily inconsistent. A subscription would be approved, with 
"approval" connoting a more active action than accept.


OTOH accept/reject for a message makes sense since the moderator is allowing 
the message ("accepting") for distribution, but that doesn't mean the 
moderator agrees with it's contents, only that it meets whatever guidelines 
the moderator is using.


approve 1. officially agree to or accept as satisfactory.
accept 1. consent to receive (a thing offered).

Later,

z!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accept vs Approve wording on moderator pages

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/01/2018 07:28 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
> On the moderator summary page, the available options are Defer, Approve, 
> Reject or Discard.
> 
> On the detail page, they're Defer, Accept, Reject or Discard.
> 
> Only a cosmetic difference, but perhaps someone could change one to match the 
> other?


OK, I'll "fix" it but I have a question.

On the summary page, the radio buttons are

(_('Defer'), _('Accept'), _('Reject'), _('Discard'))

and if it's a non-member post you have the option to add the sender "to
one of these sender filters:
(_('Accepts'), _('Holds'), _('Rejects'), _('Discards'))

and the filters are actually named
{accept|hold|reject|discard}_these_nonmembers. Thus it is pretty clear,
the change should be to change 'Approve' to 'Accept' on the detail page.

That is not my question. My question is the summary page also lists held
subscriptions and unsubscriptions and for these the buttons are

(_('Defer'), _('Approve'), _('Reject'), _('Discard'))

This seems consistent with subs and unsubs being held for moderator
approval, so I don't want to change it, but that leaves an inconsistency
on the summary page itself with (un)subs being "Approved" and messages
being "Accepted".

Is anyone bothered by this?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accept vs Approve wording on moderator pages

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/01/2018 07:28 PM, Peter Shute wrote:
> On the moderator summary page, the available options are Defer, Approve, 
> Reject or Discard.
> 
> On the detail page, they're Defer, Accept, Reject or Discard.
> 
> Only a cosmetic difference, but perhaps someone could change one to match the 
> other?


This has come up before. See
 and
, the newer of which is
over 12 years old. I'm not sure why it's never been changed. Perhaps
because both of those ask for more, at least implicitly, and the 'more'
parts are not so easy.

Also, the person doing a lot of the maintenance at that time was
Japanese, and the Japanese message catalog translates both Approve and
Accept and even Accepts to the identical Japanese.

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