I have exactly one IMAP account: Fastmail.
Under Sources, I see Spam. I do not see Junk.
Under Mailboxes, I see Spam and Junk. Both of these are seen as Junk by
MailMate when I look at their Type.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, at 4:31 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
> Let’s first make sure that we are
Let’s first make sure that we are talking about the same junk folder.
You should see one for each of your IMAP accounts under Sources and also
one funder Mailboxes with submailbox for each of your IMAP accounts.
Which one are you referring to?
On 27 Jul 2021, at 1:03, Ralph Alvy wrote:
MM
On 2021-07-27 07:03:42 (+0800), Ralph Alvy wrote:
MM does see the Spam folder created by Fastmail as of Type Junk, so I
can just delete that Junk folder. Right?
You can think of the folder MailMate calls Junk as a kind of overlay
over all the folders of type junk on all your accounts --
MM does see the Spam folder created by Fastmail as of Type Junk, so I can just
delete that Junk folder. Right?
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
> It sounds like a local Mailbox Junk got assigned the type of Junk (or Spam
> got renamed locally) and it is mapped onto the
It sounds like a local Mailbox Junk got assigned the type of Junk (or
Spam got renamed locally) and it is mapped onto the standard (for that
server) mailbox Spam on the server. In other words, it is the same
mailbox (folder as you call them), just named differently locally and on
the server.
OK - so my assessment is pretty much in agreement with what Bill said
earlier…
The server side is moving the message to Spam. Then, on the MlMt side,
you see this move occur in the Spam folder and because you also have a
local Junk folder - also mapped as Junk - it will mirror whatever is
I also forgot to mention that the Junk folder has no rules or conditions. It
simply mirrors the Spam folder, which Fastmail uses.
Okay to just delete it now?
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 2:11 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
> Okay. Here's what I see.
>
> I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate
Okay. Here's what I see.
I have a Spam folder on Fastmail server. In MailMate its Type is Junk.
I have a Junk folder in MailMate that is not on Fastmail server. In MailMate
its Type is Junk.
I now see identical messages in both folders. For some reason I didn't before,
but I think that had
So to recap (please correct any errors):
* There is a folder locally in MlMt called **Junk**; this same folder
does **not** exist on the Fastmail server.
* There is a folder on the Fastmail server called **Spam**; this same
folder does **not** exist locally in MlMt.
* SpamAssassin is
An IMAP server normally should have a junk mailbox. Whether it is called
junk, spam, or else depends on the server. Have you checked in the
sources the mailbox types for the source mailboxes? It is an item in the
popup menu when you right-click on one of the folders in a source. You
should
On 2021-07-26 at 11:00:45 UTC-0400 (Mon, 26 Jul 2021 08:00:45 -0700)
Ralph Alvy
is rumored to have said:
I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail
server. It is only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to
suggest the only way it got there is via MailMate
I forgot to mention that the Junk folder is not on the Fastmail server. It is
only a local folder created by MailMate. That seems to suggest the only way it
got there is via MailMate itself.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
> But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's
But Fastmail has its own folder for that. It's called Spam. And it did not put
it in that folder.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Bill Cole wrote:
> On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700)
> Ralph Alvy
> is rumored to have said:
>
> > I have no Inbox rules at
On 2021-07-25 at 20:15:31 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:15:31 -0700)
Ralph Alvy
is rumored to have said:
I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the
raw message:
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0
X-Spam-known-sender: no
X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none)
X-Spam-score: 7.2
I'll let you know if that verbiage is there on the next one I find in the junk
folder. Right now that folder is empty.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 6:58 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
> Ahhh - ok - at least that part is solved. So not sure if that might trigger a
> move - I don’t think it would but it
Ahhh - ok - at least that part is solved. So not sure if that might
trigger a move - I don’t think it would but it might - or there could
be a bug.
Can you find any Junk messages that do **not** have that same verbiage?
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On 25 Jul 2021, at 18:54, Ralph Alvy wrote:
Thanks, Antonio.
I may just uncheck that image checking box and see if that stops all this.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
> Thanks, Antonio. Those spam lines are probably put there by the Fastmail
> server.
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
>> OK - I wasn’t quite
Thanks, Antonio. Those spam lines are probably put there by the Fastmail server.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Antonio Leding wrote:
> OK - I wasn’t quite right - image checking does work with spam in that you
> can configure the spam score that will inform the image checking process.
>
>
OK - I wasn’t quite right - image checking does work with spam in that
you can configure the spam score that will inform the image checking
process.
That said, I checked several of the messages in my Junk boxes and none
of them have that same header information. What you posted looks like
Are you sure it isn’t server-side filtering?
> On Jul 25, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>
>
> I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate place
> email in its Junk folder occasionally?
> ___
> mailmate mailing list
>
Ahhh - I believe that regardless of what the SpamSieve setting is, that
when image checking is enabled, it will always check for spam. I could
be mis-recollecting here but either way, I will do some digging to see
if I can find a reference about this…
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On 25 Jul 2021, at 17:15, Ralph
I have no Inbox rules at all. Here are the Sieve relevant lines in the raw
message:
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0
X-Spam-known-sender: no
X-Spam-sender-reputation: 500 (none)
X-Spam-score: 7.2
X-Spam-hits: HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS 0.248, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001,
HTML_MESSAGE 0.001,
Well, with SpamSieve enabled, you can always re-eval the spam score on
any message. I’m not sure if this menu option still exists after
disabling SpamSieve but I believe it does.
That aside, you can always check for rules on the Inbox - are there any
there?
I did a quick mailer archive
I already moved it out of the Junk folder, so its Sieve score isn't seen
and it's marked as No Junk. I'll do as you say the next time it happens
before moving it out of the folder.
On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:30, Antonio Leding wrote:
Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any
Are you sure it’s being moved by SpamSieve? For example, any rules
possibly in effect?
Find a message in the Junk folder and right-click to check its spam
state
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On 25 Jul 2021, at 16:25, Ralph Alvy wrote:
I have SpamSieve unchecked in the Security window. Why does Mailmate
place
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