Re: [MlMt] Feature request [Reply or rule?]
On 29 Apr 2022, at 7:49, Henry Seiden wrote: > When replying to an email, how about a standard convention to allow for > selection of text to automatically include JUST the selection in the replay. In your original message, I selected just the first (full) sentence and hit ⌘-R, resulting in the above quote. Is this not what you're talking about? This is controlled by the "Only include selected text" checkbox in the Composer prefs. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to schedule rules running in MailMate?
On 29 Apr 2022, at 8:41, Robert Wall wrote: >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:28 AM, Randall Gellens >> wrote: >> >> On 28 Apr 2022, at 20:02, Bill Cole wrote: >> >>> On 2022-04-28 at 18:03:47 UTC-0400 (Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:03:47 -0700) >>> Randall Gellens >>> is rumored to have said: >>> This is what I do for all my archive and auto-delete functions, but it seems to me that the rules in the smart mailbox don't always fire until I click on the mailbox to view it, a bit like Schrödinger's mailbox. I also find this behavior in general, e.g., I see a new message arrive in my main Inbox that should have been moved by a rule to a different mailbox, but instead it sits in my Inbox for hours (maybe longer) but if I click on the mailbox to which it should have been moved, there it is and it's gone when I switch back to the Inbox. It seems that, for whatever reason, rules don't always trigger or at least the effect of them running isn't always visible. But other times they do seem to run automatically. >>> >>> This is an IMAP artifact. You don't see the message in the new location >>> until you resynch the new location. >> >> You're saying that MailMate doesn't resync a mailbox after it moves a >> message? And furthermore, ignores IDLE, which my server supports and which >> MM issues? Even if that was the case (which seems very hard to believe), >> then how is that the rules do work as intended at other times? > > I always just thought it was a minor UI glitch. When it happens to me, the > moved message will sometimes be there for quite awhile- but if I switch to > another mailbox and back quickly, it disappears as expected. I'm pretty sure Benny has said in the past that this MM behavior is intentional, to prevent confusion caused by a message disappearing from (or appearing in) a mailbox you're currently looking at. -Eric ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to schedule rules running in MailMate?
On 28 Apr 2022, at 20:02, Bill Cole wrote: On 2022-04-28 at 18:03:47 UTC-0400 (Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:03:47 -0700) Randall Gellens is rumored to have said: This is what I do for all my archive and auto-delete functions, but it seems to me that the rules in the smart mailbox don't always fire until I click on the mailbox to view it, a bit like Schrödinger's mailbox. I also find this behavior in general, e.g., I see a new message arrive in my main Inbox that should have been moved by a rule to a different mailbox, but instead it sits in my Inbox for hours (maybe longer) but if I click on the mailbox to which it should have been moved, there it is and it's gone when I switch back to the Inbox. It seems that, for whatever reason, rules don't always trigger or at least the effect of them running isn't always visible. But other times they do seem to run automatically. This is an IMAP artifact. You don't see the message in the new location until you resynch the new location. You're saying that MailMate doesn't resync a mailbox after it moves a message? And furthermore, ignores IDLE, which my server supports and which MM issues? Even if that was the case (which seems very hard to believe), then how is that the rules do work as intended at other times? --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to schedule rules running in MailMate?
> On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:28 AM, Randall Gellens > wrote: > > On 28 Apr 2022, at 20:02, Bill Cole wrote: > >> On 2022-04-28 at 18:03:47 UTC-0400 (Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:03:47 -0700) >> Randall Gellens >> is rumored to have said: >> >>> This is what I do for all my archive and auto-delete functions, but it >>> seems to me that the rules in the smart mailbox don't always fire until I >>> click on the mailbox to view it, a bit like Schrödinger's mailbox. I also >>> find this behavior in general, e.g., I see a new message arrive in my main >>> Inbox that should have been moved by a rule to a different mailbox, but >>> instead it sits in my Inbox for hours (maybe longer) but if I click on the >>> mailbox to which it should have been moved, there it is and it's gone when >>> I switch back to the Inbox. It seems that, for whatever reason, rules don't >>> always trigger or at least the effect of them running isn't always visible. >>> But other times they do seem to run automatically. >> >> This is an IMAP artifact. You don't see the message in the new location >> until you resynch the new location. > > You're saying that MailMate doesn't resync a mailbox after it moves a > message? And furthermore, ignores IDLE, which my server supports and which MM > issues? Even if that was the case (which seems very hard to believe), then > how is that the rules do work as intended at other times? I always just thought it was a minor UI glitch. When it happens to me, the moved message will sometimes be there for quite awhile- but if I switch to another mailbox and back quickly, it disappears as expected. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Request of all participants of this group [feature request]
Jenna’s got a good point. But her comment also brings up a feature request for Benny. Can a format for replying to an email be structured in MailMate such that selected text (only) simply by selecting it for use in a reply, then hitting the reply command to copy only the selected text. This would make it a ton easier to select a section of text and then hit reply to eliminate the 100+ other lines in the threaded email message. Just pointing out, this is a built-in feature in Mail.app (Apple Mail) that I have found useful. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 29 Apr 2022, at 9:33, Jenna Jonteaux-McClay via mailmate wrote: Would all posters please edit their quoted sections of postings so that no one has to scroll through 100+ lines of repeated text in each message? Many thanks in advance. Jenna Jonteaux-McClay, MSN, RN ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Request of all participants of this group [feature request]
On 29 Apr 2022, at 15:47, Alexandre Takacs wrote: > That’s exactly how it works for me and how I generated this reply. > > Am I missing something ? It's a setting in the Composer preferences pane (“Only include selected text”). It's off by default. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Request of all participants of this group [feature request]
Thanks, Alexandre! Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 29 Apr 2022, at 9:53, Edward Thome wrote: > On 29 Apr 2022, at 8:47, Alexandre Takacs wrote: > >> That’s exactly how it works for me and how I generated this reply. >> >> Am I missing something ? > > This is a choice in Preferences:Composer: Only include selected text. > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to schedule rules running in MailMate?
On 29 Apr 2022, at 7:55, Eric Sharakan wrote: On 29 Apr 2022, at 8:41, Robert Wall wrote: On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:28 AM, Randall Gellens wrote: On 28 Apr 2022, at 20:02, Bill Cole wrote: On 2022-04-28 at 18:03:47 UTC-0400 (Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:03:47 -0700) Randall Gellens is rumored to have said: This is what I do for all my archive and auto-delete functions, but it seems to me that the rules in the smart mailbox don't always fire until I click on the mailbox to view it, a bit like Schrödinger's mailbox. I also find this behavior in general, e.g., I see a new message arrive in my main Inbox that should have been moved by a rule to a different mailbox, but instead it sits in my Inbox for hours (maybe longer) but if I click on the mailbox to which it should have been moved, there it is and it's gone when I switch back to the Inbox. It seems that, for whatever reason, rules don't always trigger or at least the effect of them running isn't always visible. But other times they do seem to run automatically. This is an IMAP artifact. You don't see the message in the new location until you resynch the new location. You're saying that MailMate doesn't resync a mailbox after it moves a message? And furthermore, ignores IDLE, which my server supports and which MM issues? Even if that was the case (which seems very hard to believe), then how is that the rules do work as intended at other times? I always just thought it was a minor UI glitch. When it happens to me, the moved message will sometimes be there for quite awhile- but if I switch to another mailbox and back quickly, it disappears as expected. I'm pretty sure Benny has said in the past that this MM behavior is intentional, to prevent confusion caused by a message disappearing from (or appearing in) a mailbox you're currently looking at. If it's intentional that it stay, then it's still glitched - because sometimes it disappears right away, and sometimes it doesn't. In my opinion the behavior *should* be to process the rule immediately, and register the results of that processing in the UI. Otherwise you find yourself staring at messages and wondering why your rules aren't firing. :)___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to schedule rules running in MailMate?
On 2022-04-29 at 08:28:29 UTC-0400 (Fri, 29 Apr 2022 05:28:29 -0700) Randall Gellens is rumored to have said: On 28 Apr 2022, at 20:02, Bill Cole wrote: On 2022-04-28 at 18:03:47 UTC-0400 (Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:03:47 -0700) Randall Gellens is rumored to have said: This is what I do for all my archive and auto-delete functions, but it seems to me that the rules in the smart mailbox don't always fire until I click on the mailbox to view it, a bit like Schrödinger's mailbox. I also find this behavior in general, e.g., I see a new message arrive in my main Inbox that should have been moved by a rule to a different mailbox, but instead it sits in my Inbox for hours (maybe longer) but if I click on the mailbox to which it should have been moved, there it is and it's gone when I switch back to the Inbox. It seems that, for whatever reason, rules don't always trigger or at least the effect of them running isn't always visible. But other times they do seem to run automatically. This is an IMAP artifact. You don't see the message in the new location until you resynch the new location. You're saying that MailMate doesn't resync a mailbox after it moves a message? It *seems* not to, based on my observations. I have not dug deeply into this, because it isn't something that has particularly annoyed me. My assertion is based solely on my non-rigorous experience with this sort of behavior. Rule-triggered rules seem to result in delayed synch. It is entirely possible that I've misanalyzed the issue. And furthermore, ignores IDLE, which my server supports and which MM issues? I have not noticed the behavior with mailboxes that are in IDLE, but I likely would not. I use a mix of server-side (procmail) rules that operate during delivery, and client-side (MailMate, on 2 Macs) rules that handle messages after delivery, and I should not (in principle...) be moving messages in and out of INBOX robotically, which is the only mailbox I have on IDLE. Even if that was the case (which seems very hard to believe), then how is that the rules do work as intended at other times? Benny question. I don't even have a guess as to how he makes the rules system work as it does. It isn't obvious how the expiry rig I use manages to work, but it does. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Feature request [Reply or rule?]
Hello Developers of Mail Mate: When replying to an email, how about a standard convention to allow for selection of text to automatically include JUST the selection in the replay. This would reduce the reply email to only the area of concern and not the entire message. If documented, this would be very useful in normal use of email and especially in longer threaded email replies where the line counts is large. I got the idea from Jenna’s recent post in the Users Forum and suggest this to both you and to her to see if you all agree. Thanks for listening. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Request of all participants of this group [feature request]
That’s exactly how it works for me and how I generated this reply. Am I missing something ? On 29 Apr 2022, at 15:44, Henry Seiden wrote: But her comment also brings up a feature request for Benny. Can a format for replying to an email be structured in MailMate such that selected text (only) simply by selecting it for use in a reply, then hitting the reply command to copy only the selected text. This would make it a ton easier to select a section of text and then hit reply to eliminate the 100+ other lines in the threaded email message. Just pointing out, this is a built-in feature in Mail.app (Apple Mail) that I have found useful.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Test Build 5893[appearance items]
Hi Benny, I like what you did with these appearance-related items. Not sure what’s different on the changed code - newer API for MacOS 10.15+, as it looks like I have the same appearance of the menu window for attachments on MacOS 12.3.1 as last Test Build (r5890). Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com Release Notes… Revision 5893 (Thursday, April 28, 2022) New: Mailbox menu items to open selected mailbox(es) in new windows/tabs. Changed: The code used to open links has been updated to use a newer API on macOS 10.15+. Fixed: Changed “Delete Now” to “Delete Immediately” in order to match Apple wording. The related warning is a bit more informative. Fixed: Use of standard mailbox icons within the Sources section. Fixed: Various visual issues with the use of mailbox icons on macOS 11+.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to schedule rules running in MailMate?
On 29 Apr 2022, at 6:09, Robert Wall wrote: On 29 Apr 2022, at 7:55, Eric Sharakan wrote: On 29 Apr 2022, at 8:41, Robert Wall wrote: On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:28 AM, Randall Gellens wrote: On 28 Apr 2022, at 20:02, Bill Cole wrote: On 2022-04-28 at 18:03:47 UTC-0400 (Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:03:47 -0700) Randall Gellens is rumored to have said: This is what I do for all my archive and auto-delete functions, but it seems to me that the rules in the smart mailbox don't always fire until I click on the mailbox to view it, a bit like Schrödinger's mailbox. I also find this behavior in general, e.g., I see a new message arrive in my main Inbox that should have been moved by a rule to a different mailbox, but instead it sits in my Inbox for hours (maybe longer) but if I click on the mailbox to which it should have been moved, there it is and it's gone when I switch back to the Inbox. It seems that, for whatever reason, rules don't always trigger or at least the effect of them running isn't always visible. But other times they do seem to run automatically. This is an IMAP artifact. You don't see the message in the new location until you resynch the new location. You're saying that MailMate doesn't resync a mailbox after it moves a message? And furthermore, ignores IDLE, which my server supports and which MM issues? Even if that was the case (which seems very hard to believe), then how is that the rules do work as intended at other times? I always just thought it was a minor UI glitch. When it happens to me, the moved message will sometimes be there for quite awhile- but if I switch to another mailbox and back quickly, it disappears as expected. I'm pretty sure Benny has said in the past that this MM behavior is intentional, to prevent confusion caused by a message disappearing from (or appearing in) a mailbox you're currently looking at. If it's intentional that it stay, then it's still glitched - because sometimes it disappears right away, and sometimes it doesn't. In my opinion the behavior *should* be to process the rule immediately, and register the results of that processing in the UI. Otherwise you find yourself staring at messages and wondering why your rules aren't firing. :) Yes, exactly. It would seem to make more sense to download the message, run it through the rules, then, if after that the message is put into a mailbox currently being viewed, update the display to show it. --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] a aearch always switch to a wrong mailbox
Thanks a lot - that was the solution for my problem :) On 27 Apr 2022, at 22:02, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2022-04-27 at 12:12:21 UTC-0400 (Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:12:21 +0200) > Michael Nietzold > is rumored to have said: > >> When: >> - I type a search in the search field >> - or I click on underlined keywords in a mail view (subject or email or >> similar) >> >> What I see: >> - the search starts >> - I it switched always to my folder/mailbox „Sent Messenges“ >> >> >> What I expect: >> - it should stay in the current folder >> >> >> >> How I can fix this?___ > > In the search box there is a magnifying glass with a pull-down menu that has > recent searches followed by a "Default Mailbox" item which lets you select > which mailbox to search by default. At the top of the mailbox list there is a > "Current Mailbox" option. > > > > > > -- > Bill Cole > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > Not Currently Available For Hire > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Request of all participants of this group
Would all posters please edit their quoted sections of postings so that no one has to scroll through 100+ lines of repeated text in each message? Many thanks in advance. Jenna Jonteaux-McClay, MSN, RN___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Request of all participants of this group [feature request]
On 29 Apr 2022, at 8:47, Alexandre Takacs wrote: > That’s exactly how it works for me and how I generated this reply. > > Am I missing something ? This is a choice in Preferences:Composer: Only include selected text. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Request of all participants of this group [feature request]
Aha Guess I enabled that option at some point in the past then. On 29 Apr 2022, at 15:52, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 29 Apr 2022, at 15:47, Alexandre Takacs wrote: That’s exactly how it works for me and how I generated this reply. Am I missing something ? It's a setting in the Composer preferences pane (“Only include selected text”). It's off by default. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Request of all participants of this group [feature request]
Yes, I see it now: At the top, with the “Reply:” checkbox was off (by default). Only include selected text from my clean install. That setting apparently did not transfer when I reloaded settings after fresh install of MM or perhaps a more recent upgrade to r5890. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 29 Apr 2022, at 10:00, Henry Seiden wrote: Thanks, Alexandre! Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 29 Apr 2022, at 9:53, Edward Thome wrote: On 29 Apr 2022, at 8:47, Alexandre Takacs wrote: That’s exactly how it works for me and how I generated this reply. Am I missing something ? This is a choice in Preferences:Composer: Only include selected text. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature request [Reply or rule?]
Yes it is. Thanks. Apparently according to Benny the selection is off by default at installation which may explain some things. Henry - - Please excuse the tttapping errors... Sent from my iPhone C/T (954) 253-4125 Henry M. Seiden Techworks Pro > On Apr 29, 2022, at 13:45, Randall Meadows wrote: > > On 29 Apr 2022, at 7:49, Henry Seiden wrote: > >> When replying to an email, how about a standard convention to allow for >> selection of text to automatically include JUST the selection in the replay. > > In your original message, I selected just the first (full) sentence and hit > ⌘-R, resulting in the above quote. Is this not what you're talking about? > This is controlled by the "Only include selected text" checkbox in the > Composer prefs. > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
