Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978

[Bill Cole]

On 2023-09-03 at 06:42:11 UTC-0400 (Sun, 03 Sep 2023 11:42:11 +0100)
Steve Hodgson 
is rumored to have said:

When I check for (beta) updates I get the message “5964 is the 
latest version available. You have version 5965.” And the beta 
release on the website is 5937.


Where are you all getting r5978?


http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/ is where all releases live. 
The ones without release numbers are those that are the formal 
test/beta/release versions you can get from the internal app updater.





Cheers,

Steve



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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:44:21 -0600
From: Steve Mayer 
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Subject: [MlMt] r5978
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I’m currently using r5978 on Ventura 13.5.1.

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Re: [MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 150, Issue 3

[Steve Mayer via mailmate]

Jenna,

Whom was this message directed to?  Perhaps some context that might help 
the rest of the list should be provided. Otherwise, taking it privately 
to the target of this might have been better.


I’ve looked back through threads and the ticket tracker looking for 
‘salty’ responses/behavior from anyone that has been part of this 
thread that you’ve replied to and I’m not finding anything.


We all know how busy Benny is. His one man feat of engineering is not 
lost on most of us.  I’ve been a Mailmate user for 10 years now and 
Benny has never let me down and (besides there being NO competitor to 
this great piece of software) is what keeps me a supporter.


Thanks,

Steve Mayer
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On 3 Sep 2023, at 1:31, JennaJM via mailmate wrote:

Try Beta 5.  As for MM release? You have been making comments about 
the lack of releases and support lately in the forum, perhaps it is 
because you are not aware that Benny is doing this ON HIS OWN. Please 
place yourself in his shoes before being salty about what you perceive 
support and release timings to be.


Jenna


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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 20:26:16 +
From: Henry Seiden 
To: MailMate Users 
Cc: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] r5978
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Steve,

Sorry to say, I cannot replicate what you’re reporting. But your 
issue

should be forwarded to Benny.

As to what I see, in my install of M-M, the menu when a message is
selected, (right click>Junk State>options) has **BOTH “Junk” and
“Not Junk”** checked! This is true fro any selected message in 
the
Inbox. So I would agree that is weird, since no junk is filtered in 
M-M.
In my case, it comes pretty close - having for years used SpamSieve 
for

junk mail filtering.

Here on my virtually unattended Mini, Apple Mail running SpamSieve 
3.0
b4 (beta) on a MacMini 2020 M1 to accomplish with Remote Training. 
That
lets other machines drop suspected spam that get through easily. 
I’m

told the new SpamSieve build 3.0 supports MailMate, however. Michael
Tsai (developer of SpamSieve) says he will continue to support 
MailMate.


If there is a final imminent release of MailMate, I may try it using
SpamSieve, but that seems way off.

My set up on the MacMini does all the filtering outside all other 
device
applications (both for mobile devices using standard iOS Mail apps 
and

other Mac like the MBP, both mobile and desktop connections.

So, I don’t use MM for ANY junk filtering. It can, I suppose, but 
it

simply isn’t worth my time to try, plus a clean inbox is much too
valuable to give up what works.

Take your point on experimental builds 1.14(r5978), though. R5975 
seemed
a bust having caused crashes on my machine (MBP2021 M1Pro) running 
MacOS

13.5.1 (22G90) and apparently others, too.

Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
- -
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On 1 Sep 2023, at 14:44, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:


I’m currently using r5978 on Ventura 13.5.1.  I’ve noticed
something in the latest few test builds related to the status of the
“Junk State” of the messages.  No matter where or what the 
message
is, Right Clicking on the message and choosing “Junk State” 
always

shows the ‘Junk’ entry with the checkmark.  I used to be able to
choose Junk or Not Junk, but I seem unable to be able to modify this
selection. Anyone else seeing this?

I’m also using the latest SpamSieve if that makes a difference.

Thanks,

Steve Mayer
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On 1 Sep 2023, at 14:44, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:


I’m currently using r5978 on Ventura 13.5.1.  I’ve noticed
something in the latest few test builds related to the status of the
“Junk State” of the messages.  No matter where or what the 
message
is, Right Clicking on the message and choosing “Junk State” 
always

shows the ‘Junk’ entry with the checkmark.  I used to be able to
choose Junk or Not Junk, but I seem unable to be able to modify this
selection. Anyone else seeing this?

I’m also using the latest SpamSieve if that makes a difference.



Yep, I'm running MM r5975 on Ventura 13.5.1 with SpamSieve and see
identical symptoms.

-Eric



Thanks,

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Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978

[Henry Seiden]

Thanks for the guidance and explanations, Benny. Will do.

Though for right now, 5978 seems pretty good on the items you mention.

Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 3 Sep 2023, at 9:34, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 3 Sep 2023, at 15:27, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote:

Hi Benny (and others), I'm currently running r5975 successfully.  
I've noticed a couple minor issues, which I've reported via the 'Send 
Feedback...' menu item.  Benny, do you want us to report on issues we 
find on these experimental builds, or would it be better if we wait 
until you release an official test build before providing feedback?


Right now, it's better to wait if it's related to issues like crashes, 
wrong messages being shown, and similar. I've already changed a lot 
and I'm pretty deep down the internals of MailMate right now and 
behavior is very likely to change.


Any issues which persist with the next update will naturally have my 
interest.


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Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 3 Sep 2023, at 15:27, Eric Sharakan via mailmate wrote:

> Hi Benny (and others), I'm currently running r5975 successfully.  I've 
> noticed a couple minor issues, which I've reported via the 'Send Feedback...' 
> menu item.  Benny, do you want us to report on issues we find on these 
> experimental builds, or would it be better if we wait until you release an 
> official test build before providing feedback?

Right now, it's better to wait if it's related to issues like crashes, wrong 
messages being shown, and similar. I've already changed a lot and I'm pretty 
deep down the internals of MailMate right now and behavior is very likely to 
change.

Any issues which persist with the next update will naturally have my interest.

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Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978

[Eric Sharakan via mailmate]

On 3 Sep 2023, at 7:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 3 Sep 2023, at 12:47, Charlie Clark wrote:
>
>> That's because Benny considers these releases too buggy even for tests.
>
> Just a quick update on this. This is still true, and I'm working hard to get 
> back to something usable. Right now, my own build of MailMate is even worse 
> than r5978. Some times, it is necessary to break things completely in order 
> to properly fix them. I'm sorry it's taking a lot longer than anticipated, 
> but I promise the end result will be an improvement.
>
> -- 
> Benny

Hi Benny (and others), I'm currently running r5975 successfully.  I've noticed 
a couple minor issues, which I've reported via the 'Send Feedback...' menu 
item.  Benny, do you want us to report on issues we find on these experimental 
builds, or would it be better if we wait until you release an official test 
build before providing feedback?

Thanks.

-Eric
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Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978

[Henry Seiden]

Benny,

Please understand, I continue to support your efforts. Despite what 
others here call “being salty”, I remain a fan and user of a level 
that works for my needs, presently experimental build 1.14 (r5978). If 
anyone needs a more stable product, recommend you try the latest test 
build, r5937.


In case no one has said it here recently, MailMate certainly 
out-distances the performance of other Mail apps in both it’s 
versatility, customization and overall performance to users of any 
version of MacOS. That is in itself a fabulous achievement.


The site for downloading these *experimental builds* is therefore not 
well publicized for the reason you say, Benny. You can find all builds 
in the archive page but your own needs and use levels may be worth 
considering before installation of an experimental build.


Look for Test Builds in the normal way when Benny chooses to get one to 
that level of his own expectation.


Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 3 Sep 2023, at 7:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Just a quick update on this. This is still true, and I'm working hard 
to get back to something usable. Right now, my own build of MailMate 
is even worse than r5978. Some times, it is necessary to break things 
completely in order to properly fix them. I'm sorry it's taking a lot 
longer than anticipated, but I promise the end result will be an 
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Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 3 Sep 2023, at 12:47, Charlie Clark wrote:

> That's because Benny considers these releases too buggy even for tests.

Just a quick update on this. This is still true, and I'm working hard to get 
back to something usable. Right now, my own build of MailMate is even worse 
than r5978. Some times, it is necessary to break things completely in order to 
properly fix them. I'm sorry it's taking a lot longer than anticipated, but I 
promise the end result will be an improvement.

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[MlMt] Getting r5978

[Charlie Clark]

That's because Benny considers these releases too buggy even for tests.

You can download all releases directly from the website but I'm personally 
sticking with 5964.

Charlie
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[MlMt] Getting r5978

[Steve Hodgson]

When I check for (beta) updates I get the message “5964 is the latest version 
available. You have version 5965.” And the beta release on the website is 5937.

Where are you all getting r5978?

Cheers,

Steve



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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:44:21 -0600
> From: Steve Mayer 
> To: MailMate Users 
> Subject: [MlMt] r5978
> Message-ID: <42d483b8-715d-4596-8c68-49da3d818...@me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; markup=markdown
>
> I’m currently using r5978 on Ventura 13.5.1.
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Re: [MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 150, Issue 3

[JennaJM via mailmate]

Try Beta 5.  As for MM release? You have been making comments about the lack of 
releases and support lately in the forum, perhaps it is because you are not 
aware that Benny is doing this ON HIS OWN. Please place yourself in his shoes 
before being salty about what you perceive support and release timings to be.

Jenna
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 20:26:16 +
> From: Henry Seiden 
> To: MailMate Users 
> Cc: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" 
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] r5978
> Message-ID:
>  
> <0100018a526ccd6b-8911e322-7f3f-489e-9f1f-f699167d9b08-000...@email.amazonses.com>
>  
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> Steve,
>
> Sorry to say, I cannot replicate what you’re reporting. But your issue 
> should be forwarded to Benny.
>
> As to what I see, in my install of M-M, the menu when a message is 
> selected, (right click>Junk State>options) has **BOTH “Junk” and 
> “Not Junk”** checked! This is true fro any selected message in the 
> Inbox. So I would agree that is weird, since no junk is filtered in M-M. 
> In my case, it comes pretty close - having for years used SpamSieve for 
> junk mail filtering.
>
> Here on my virtually unattended Mini, Apple Mail running SpamSieve 3.0 
> b4 (beta) on a MacMini 2020 M1 to accomplish with Remote Training. That 
> lets other machines drop suspected spam that get through easily. I’m 
> told the new SpamSieve build 3.0 supports MailMate, however. Michael 
> Tsai (developer of SpamSieve) says he will continue to support MailMate.
>
> If there is a final imminent release of MailMate, I may try it using 
> SpamSieve, but that seems way off.
>
> My set up on the MacMini does all the filtering outside all other device 
> applications (both for mobile devices using standard iOS Mail apps and 
> other Mac like the MBP, both mobile and desktop connections.
>
> So, I don’t use MM for ANY junk filtering. It can, I suppose, but it 
> simply isn’t worth my time to try, plus a clean inbox is much too 
> valuable to give up what works.
>
> Take your point on experimental builds 1.14(r5978), though. R5975 seemed 
> a bust having caused crashes on my machine (MBP2021 M1Pro) running MacOS 
> 13.5.1 (22G90) and apparently others, too.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Henry Seiden
> - -
> Techworks Pro Co.
> E: infotechworksprocom
> W: http://techworkspro.com
>
> On 1 Sep 2023, at 14:44, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:
>
>> I’m currently using r5978 on Ventura 13.5.1.  I’ve noticed 
>> something in the latest few test builds related to the status of the 
>> “Junk State” of the messages.  No matter where or what the message 
>> is, Right Clicking on the message and choosing “Junk State” always 
>> shows the ‘Junk’ entry with the checkmark.  I used to be able to 
>> choose Junk or Not Junk, but I seem unable to be able to modify this 
>> selection. Anyone else seeing this?
>>
>> I’m also using the latest SpamSieve if that makes a difference.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve Mayer
>> smaye...@me.com
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> On 1 Sep 2023, at 14:44, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:
>
>> I’m currently using r5978 on Ventura 13.5.1.  I’ve noticed 
>> something in the latest few test builds related to the status of the 
>> “Junk State” of the messages.  No matter where or what the message 
>> is, Right Clicking on the message and choosing “Junk State” always 
>> shows the ‘Junk’ entry with the checkmark.  I used to be able to 
>> choose Junk or Not Junk, but I seem unable to be able to modify this 
>> selection. Anyone else seeing this?
>>
>> I’m also using the latest SpamSieve if that makes a difference.
>>
>
> Yep, I'm running MM r5975 on Ventura 13.5.1 with SpamSieve and see 
> identical symptoms.
>
> -Eric
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve Mayer
>> smaye...@me.com
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