Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 24 Oct 2016, at 21:34, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:


On 24 Oct 2016, at 8:39, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Whether or not this setting is enabled I do think that MailMate 
should select the “next” message just as if the action had been 
done in the mailbox window. Disabling such behavior is already a 
separate setting:
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy 
-string "none"


This doesn’t seem to exist now in MM2.


You mean it does not seem to work?

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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 8 Oct 2016, at 14:55, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:


I wrote in another thread:

2. If I delete that message while it’s open, no message is left 
selected. I’d rather the next message in the thread get selected. 
I’m a keyboard guy, and while this isn’t a big deal if the 
message I want is the last one in the inbox (just hit the up arrow), 
it’s a pain if it’s not and I have to hit the arrow multiple 
times or use the mouse.


Someone else suggested that the next message be selected and opened, 
which I would not prefer, but having no message be selected after 
deleting an open one is not good, IMO.


This thread went in various directions. The current behavior is not 
really intentional, but yet another proof that I'm not using the single 
message window much myself.


This is also kind of related to the behavior of MailMate in the single 
message window when archiving/moving messages. This is actually 
configurable:


	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessageWindowActionAfterMove 
-string "closeWindow"


The single message window does allow one to navigate to the 
previous/next message using ⌘↓ / ⌘↑. This is similar to what 
some of you want to happen when moving a message in the single message 
window. (This always happens when deleting messages, but maybe that 
should also depend on the setting above unless the message is deleted 
permanently.)


Whether or not this setting is enabled I do think that MailMate should 
select the “next” message just as if the action had been done in the 
mailbox window. Disabling such behavior is already a separate setting:


	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy 
-string "none"


This also takes effect in the mailbox window which is probably what 
users of this setting would expect.


In other words, I'd like the default behavior to be that the single 
message window is closed on all types of move actions and that MailMate 
always moves to the “next” message in the message list. It is then 
optional to keep the window open (when possible, that is, more messages 
in the mailbox exists). Moving to the “next” message can then be 
disabled for users preferring to always explicitly select messages.


(I'm not really interested in discussing default behavior, but it's fine 
to point out if the above does not allow you to configure your 
personally desired behavior.)


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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[Richard Rettke]

On 9 Oct 2016, at 17:11, John D. Muccigrosso muccigro...@icloud.com  
wrote:


Yes, if you don’t notice when you delete something it’s a problem. 
Have you considered changing the delete command to something less easy 
to do by mistake? (I also just noticed “Cancel deletion”, but 
I’m not sure what that does.)


The way Mailmate currently works there is no problem. The discussion was 
about having Mailmate automatically select the next item, which would 
then create a potential problem for me with delete behavior. My 
preference is either leave it as is or make selection or non-selection 
of next item customizable by the user.


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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[Robert Brenstein]

On 09.10.2016 at 18:11 Uhr -0400 John D. Muccigrosso apparently wrote:


Yes, if you don't notice when you delete something it's a problem. 
Have you considered changing the delete command to something less 
easy to do by mistake? (I also just noticed "Cancel deletion", but 
I'm not sure what that does.)


John


Delete action could ask for confirmation. This should be naturally 
configurable by the user.


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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[John D. Muccigrosso]

On 8 Oct 2016, at 23:38, Richard Rettke wrote:

BTW, undo only handles the deletion if you noticed it. The all 
knowing, all seeing are good with that. A mere mortal like myself, not 
so much.


:-)

Yes, if you don’t notice when you delete something it’s a problem. 
Have you considered changing the delete command to something less easy 
to do by mistake? (I also just noticed “Cancel deletion”, but I’m 
not sure what that does.)


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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[Richard Rettke]

On 8 Oct 2016, at 11:10, Randall Meadows randy.mead...@not-pc.com  
wrote:


To each his own. I prefer the current behavior, because it allows me 
to delete the message I'm reading, quickly and easily without my hands 
leaving the keyboard, and still leave the "next message" unread, as I 
don't have time right at the moment to deal with it, and leaving it 
marked unread (which selecting it would undo) leaves me a reminder for 
later.
Hopefully Benny will be able to accommodate us   all   with a 
plethora of settings. :)




I too prefer the current behavior. I do not read messages in sequence 
and prefer not to have any selected. Also, if it selected the next 
message I would be at risk for accidental deletion. I sometimes read and 
delete, and sometimes due to infirmity, double tap the delete key. 
Having a message selected automatically could cause it to be unknowingly 
or unexpectedly deleted.


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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[John Muccigrosso]

My suggestion also leaves the next message unread since I have preview off. 
Having nothing selected after delete is a hassle. 

John Muccigrosso

> Il giorno 08 ott 2016, alle ore 12:10, Randall Meadows 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> On 8 Oct 2016, at 6:55, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:
> 
> I wrote in another thread:
> 
> 2. If I delete that message while it’s open, no message is left selected. I’d 
> rather the next message in the thread get selected. I’m a keyboard guy, and 
> while this isn’t a big deal if the message I want is the last one in the 
> inbox (just hit the up arrow), it’s a pain if it’s not and I have to hit the 
> arrow multiple times or use the mouse.
> 
> Someone else suggested that the next message be selected and opened, which I 
> would not prefer, but having no message be selected after deleting an open 
> one is not good, IMO.
> To each his own. I prefer the current behavior, because it allows me to 
> delete the message I'm reading, quickly and easily without my hands leaving 
> the keyboard, and still leave the "next message" unread, as I don't have time 
> right at the moment to deal with it, and leaving it marked unread (which 
> selecting it would undo) leaves me a reminder for later.
> 
> Hopefully Benny will be able to accommodate us all with a plethora of 
> settings. :)
> 
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Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message

[Randall Meadows]

On 8 Oct 2016, at 6:55, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:


I wrote in another thread:

2. If I delete that message while it’s open, no message is left 
selected. I’d rather the next message in the thread get selected. 
I’m a keyboard guy, and while this isn’t a big deal if the 
message I want is the last one in the inbox (just hit the up arrow), 
it’s a pain if it’s not and I have to hit the arrow multiple 
times or use the mouse.


Someone else suggested that the next message be selected and opened, 
which I would not prefer, but having no message be selected after 
deleting an open one is not good, IMO.


To each his own.  I prefer the current behavior, because it allows me to 
delete the message I'm reading, quickly and easily without my hands 
leaving the keyboard, and still leave the "next message" unread, as I 
don't have time right at the moment to deal with it, and leaving it 
marked unread (which selecting it would undo) leaves me a reminder for 
later.


Hopefully Benny will be able to accommodate us *all* with a plethora of 
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