Re: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?

[Jason Davies]

A belated thanks for this idea Bill, just setting it up.


On 4 Oct 2019, at 19:39, Bill Cole wrote:





You can get part of the benefit for little cost by tuning the contents 
of the mailbox being used for auto-completion. For example, instead of 
using the default "Sent Messages" mailbox, I use a smart mailbox that 
contains only messages from Sent Messages that are less than a year 
old. This also improves the quality of auto-completion, so I don't 
have a dozen minor (display name) variants of the same wrong address 
as the top hits. With mailing lists increasingly moving to "munged" 
From headers, this is a growing problem for me.



Cheers,

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Re: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?

[Bill Cole]

On 4 Oct 2019, at 14:01, Jason Davies wrote:


I accidentally have an update on this.


Firstly, OMM switching off 'Recipient headers' in 'Auto-completion 
Sources' did seem to speed Mailmate up, but it didn't speed *me* up 
because I discovered how much I rely on it;)


You can get part of the benefit for little cost by tuning the contents 
of the mailbox being used for auto-completion. For example, instead of 
using the default "Sent Messages" mailbox, I use a smart mailbox that 
contains only messages from Sent Messages that are less than a year old. 
This also improves the quality of auto-completion, so I don't have a 
dozen minor (display name) variants of the same wrong address as the top 
hits. With mailing lists increasingly moving to "munged" From headers, 
this is a growing problem for me.



Switching in back on left me with some delays (but as I said, I think, 
I've improved my hardware and it's improved the delays). However at 
some point Mailmate just got locked this afternoon and after an hour I 
had to not only force-quit it but eventually force shut-down the whole 
mac, which wouldn't restart.


That sounds like a problem much larger than MM, e.g. corrupted 
filesystem or flaky disk.


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Re: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?

[Jason Davies]

I accidentally have an update on this.


Firstly, OMM switching off 'Recipient headers' in 'Auto-completion 
Sources' did seem to speed Mailmate up, but it didn't speed *me* up 
because I discovered how much I rely on it;)


Switching in back on left me with some delays (but as I said, I think, 
I've improved my hardware and it's improved the delays). However at some 
point Mailmate just got locked this afternoon and after an hour I had to 
not only force-quit it but eventually force shut-down the whole mac, 
which wouldn't restart.


On relaunch, MM got very unhappy about the mailboxes and insisted on 
redownloading the entire lot.


Now, the sporadic delays are much less (three seconds, roughly).

All this suggests to me there are three related factors:

1. Heavy disk access needs good architecture
*and*
2. The archives perhaps become messy to access (and we can't run 
Diskwarrior on AFPS drives)


and 3. MM has to do a lot of work to look up recipients in a giant 
'sent' folder.


Obviously these impact each other; if 3 is irrelevant (switched off), 
you don't need such a fast machine or fully-optimised directories, and 
so on.


I'd be interested to hear from other well SSDed/RAMmed users whether 
this fits their situation.


cheers
Jason

On 4 Oct 2019, at 13:34, Glenn Parker wrote:

It's pure speculation on my part. All I can really affirm is that the 
delay happens sporadically, lasts several seconds, doesn't seem to be 
associated with attachments in replies, and is isolated to MailMate. 
I'm running the latest OS X with buckets of RAM and all solid state 
disks, and this was happening prior to the most recent OS upgrade.


On October 4, 2019 05:43:48 "Charlie Clark"  
wrote:



On 3 Oct 2019, at 19:23, Glenn Parker wrote:


I see occasional delays of 10 to 30 seconds when starting a reply
message. My first guess, given the powerful search features of
MailMate, is that a large database index is being rebuilt
periodically. This may be related to personal configuration, since 
the

reply address completion feature can be tweaked to draw from a
potentially large dataset.


I'd actually doubt that. Creating the DB initially will take a while 
but
updates should be pretty fast. I do see some delays when sending 
mails
with attachments but reckon these are down to assembling everything. 
But

basically without Benny's input and/or logging it's all idle
speculation. If you can recreate things then maybe filing a bug is 
the

best approach.

However, one thing I have noticed since 10.4.6 is occasional complete
freezes of the mouse. Apple does, unfortunately, have a record of
introducing random bugs in OS releases, especially as they prep for 
next

major ones.

Charlie

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Re: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?

[Glenn Parker]

It's pure speculation on my part. All I can really affirm is that the delay 
happens sporadically, lasts several seconds, doesn't seem to be associated 
with attachments in replies, and is isolated to MailMate. I'm running the 
latest OS X with buckets of RAM and all solid state disks, and this was 
happening prior to the most recent OS upgrade.


On October 4, 2019 05:43:48 "Charlie Clark"  wrote:


On 3 Oct 2019, at 19:23, Glenn Parker wrote:


I see occasional delays of 10 to 30 seconds when starting a reply
message. My first guess, given the powerful search features of
MailMate, is that a large database index is being rebuilt
periodically. This may be related to personal configuration, since the
reply address completion feature can be tweaked to draw from a
potentially large dataset.


I'd actually doubt that. Creating the DB initially will take a while but
updates should be pretty fast. I do see some delays when sending mails
with attachments but reckon these are down to assembling everything. But
basically without Benny's input and/or logging it's all idle
speculation. If you can recreate things then maybe filing a bug is the
best approach.

However, one thing I have noticed since 10.4.6 is occasional complete
freezes of the mouse. Apple does, unfortunately, have a record of
introducing random bugs in OS releases, especially as they prep for next
major ones.

Charlie

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Re: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?

[Charlie Clark]

On 3 Oct 2019, at 19:23, Glenn Parker wrote:

I see occasional delays of 10 to 30 seconds when starting a reply 
message. My first guess, given the powerful search features of 
MailMate, is that a large database index is being rebuilt 
periodically. This may be related to personal configuration, since the 
reply address completion feature can be tweaked to draw from a 
potentially large dataset.


I'd actually doubt that. Creating the DB initially will take a while but 
updates should be pretty fast. I do see some delays when sending mails 
with attachments but reckon these are down to assembling everything. But 
basically without Benny's input and/or logging it's all idle 
speculation. If you can recreate things then maybe filing a bug is the 
best approach.


However, one thing I have noticed since 10.4.6 is occasional complete 
freezes of the mouse. Apple does, unfortunately, have a record of 
introducing random bugs in OS releases, especially as they prep for next 
major ones.


Charlie

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Re: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?

[Jason Davies]

On 3 Oct 2019, at 18:25, Dan Pritts wrote:

Mailmate has been blazingly fast; I have experienced no slowdowns like 
you describe.  


In answer to one question, I'm on macOS 10.14.6, the most recent 
official release, should have said that).


Thanks everyone. It does seem to be to do with replying for those of you 
who have this happening, so I'll change the settings for reply 
autocompletion and see what happened.


(That message took several days to send (for some reason) before gmail 
finally authenticated me. In the meantime, this gave me an excuse to buy 
a PCI SATA connector (which gives twice as fast disk access on this 
generation of Mac Pro) and it's noticeably improved. But some replies 
still seem to need 10-20 seconds.)


Thanks for helping me focus my thoughts on this. I'll report back soon.

cheers
Jason
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Re: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?

[Dan Pritts]

Oddly enough, I switched to Mailmate because of similar issues with Postbox.  
Their support thought my mailboxes were too big.  Even after I totally 
recreated my profile, it got awfully slow.

Mailmate has been blazingly fast; I have experienced no slowdowns like you 
describe.  That said, i only use one account with a relatively small number of 
gmail mailboxes/tags.   And one nice thing about mailmate is that the speed has 
helped me clean out those huge mailboxes, so they're smaller than they were.  
Hmm.  

thanks
danno

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Chaim Kram  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Like Jason I’ve also noticed frequent sluggishness and spinning beachballs 
> only for the last 2 or 3 months. Plus the occasional freeze. Before that I 
> never encountered any of this, ever. I have a MacBook Pro 15” 2017 running 
> Mojave (10.14.6).
> 
> Has anyone else noticed this of late? And any ideas as to:
> 
> What to do, and/or
> What and how to report this to Benny?
> Thanks.
> 
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> cha...@umich.edu 
> On 3 Oct 2019, at 19:00, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:58:11 +0100
> From: "Jason Davies" ophiochosli...@gmail.com 
> 
> To: "MailMate Users" mailmate@lists.freron.com 
> 
> Subject: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?
> Message-ID: 85377bbe-b305-4923-80ba-a1d266587...@gmail.com 
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> I'm a huge fan of mailmate but in recent months (I think largely since
> the last OS update) it's bordered on unusable for me. I see the spinning
> pizza for on average ten seconds when I hit 'reply' and frequently when
> I click on a different message. Or it might take that long as I try to
> add an address to a new message. Even typing appears in fits and starts.
> 
> I'm using a 2010 Mac Pro with 20 gigs of RAM, an SSD start-up connected
> via PCIE. Almost the only time it's sluggish is with MM. I have multiple
> accounts with thousands of emails.
> 
> This is not a moan or a complaint; I recognise I'musing an old machine,
> albeit maxed-out. I'm asking for informed suggestions about how to
> reduce whatever load I'm putting on the app so that it can be snappy. Eg
> reducing the number of accounts? I don't want to just try things that
> take quite a while to actually do (ie switching the less-used ones to
> Mail). Or perhaps that won't do any good. I would consider a new SSD
> (but as I said, everything else seems pretty responsive).
> 
> Any suggestions about things to turn off or avoid very welcome.
> 
> Thanks
> Jason
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Re: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?

[Glenn Parker]

I see occasional delays of 10 to 30 seconds when starting a reply 
message. My first guess, given the powerful search features of MailMate, 
is that a large database index is being rebuilt periodically. This may 
be related to personal configuration, since the reply address completion 
feature can be tweaked to draw from a potentially large dataset.


Glenn P. Parker
glenn.par...@comcast.net

On 3 Oct 2019, at 13:10, Chaim Kram wrote:


Hi,

Like Jason I’ve also noticed frequent sluggishness and spinning 
beachballs only for the last 2 or 3 months. Plus the occasional 
freeze. Before that I never encountered any of this, ever. I have a 
MacBook Pro 15” 2017 running Mojave (10.14.6).


Has anyone else noticed this of late? And any ideas as to:

1. What to do,  and/or
2. What and how to report this to Benny?

Thanks.

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cha...@umich.edu

On 3 Oct 2019, at 19:00, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote:


Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:58:11 +0100
From: "Jason Davies" 
To: "MailMate Users" 
Subject: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?
Message-ID: <85377bbe-b305-4923-80ba-a1d266587...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown

Hi folks

I'm a huge fan of mailmate but in recent months (I think largely 
since
the last OS update) it's bordered on unusable for me. I see the 
spinning
pizza for on average ten seconds when I hit 'reply' and frequently 
when
I click on a different message. Or it might take that long as I try 
to
add an address to a new message. Even typing appears in fits and 
starts.


I'm using a 2010 Mac Pro with 20 gigs of RAM, an SSD start-up 
connected
via PCIE. Almost the only time it's sluggish is with MM. I have 
multiple

accounts with thousands of emails.

This is not a moan or a complaint; I recognise I'musing an old 
machine,

albeit maxed-out. I'm asking for informed suggestions about how to
reduce whatever load I'm putting on the app so that it can be snappy. 
Eg

reducing the number of accounts? I don't want to just try things that
take quite a while to actually do (ie switching the less-used ones to
Mail). Or perhaps that won't do any good. I would consider a new SSD
(but as I said, everything else seems pretty responsive).

Any suggestions about things to turn off or avoid very welcome.

Thanks
Jason

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Re: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?

[Chaim Kram]

Hi,

Like Jason I’ve also noticed frequent sluggishness and spinning 
beachballs only for the last 2 or 3 months. Plus the occasional freeze. 
Before that I never encountered any of this, ever. I have a MacBook Pro 
15” 2017 running Mojave (10.14.6).


Has anyone else noticed this of late? And any ideas as to:

1. What to do,  and/or
2. What and how to report this to Benny?

Thanks.

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cha...@umich.edu

On 3 Oct 2019, at 19:00, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote:


Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:58:11 +0100
From: "Jason Davies" 
To: "MailMate Users" 
Subject: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?
Message-ID: <85377bbe-b305-4923-80ba-a1d266587...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown

Hi folks

I'm a huge fan of mailmate but in recent months (I think largely since
the last OS update) it's bordered on unusable for me. I see the 
spinning
pizza for on average ten seconds when I hit 'reply' and frequently 
when

I click on a different message. Or it might take that long as I try to
add an address to a new message. Even typing appears in fits and 
starts.


I'm using a 2010 Mac Pro with 20 gigs of RAM, an SSD start-up 
connected
via PCIE. Almost the only time it's sluggish is with MM. I have 
multiple

accounts with thousands of emails.

This is not a moan or a complaint; I recognise I'musing an old 
machine,

albeit maxed-out. I'm asking for informed suggestions about how to
reduce whatever load I'm putting on the app so that it can be snappy. 
Eg

reducing the number of accounts? I don't want to just try things that
take quite a while to actually do (ie switching the less-used ones to
Mail). Or perhaps that won't do any good. I would consider a new SSD
(but as I said, everything else seems pretty responsive).

Any suggestions about things to turn off or avoid very welcome.

Thanks
Jason
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Re: [MlMt] sluggist Mailmate - how to optimise?

[Dave C]

> I'm using a 2010 Mac Pro with 20 gigs of RAM, an SSD start-up connected via 
> PCIE. Almost the only time it's sluggish is with MM. I have multiple accounts 
> with thousands of emails.

But what version of MacOS? And MM?

Dave 
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