Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 5/28/19 4:01 PM, Steve Atkins via mailop wrote: /me wonders vaguely how much of the "Marketo spam" is coming from hostnames in "mkt1572.com" In my case, most of their spam originates from em-sj-77.mktomail.com and potomac1050.mktomail.com, but occasionally it's more obfuscated. -- Jay

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Steve Atkins via mailop
> On May 28, 2019, at 11:35 PM, Brett Schenker via mailop > wrote: > > Yup, believe that happens in California a lot. Signing up to vote too it > happens. But that's the opposite of the example you gave of "elected officials to be contacted". One is mail being sent to someone who has

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Brett Schenker via mailop
Yup, believe that happens in California a lot. Signing up to vote too it happens. On Tue, May 28, 2019, 6:31 PM Michael Wise via mailop wrote: > > > Or … someone using a known spamtrap address on a DMV email contact > address, and then that list being handed over to their apparent Member of >

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Steve Atkins via mailop
> On May 28, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Brett Schenker via mailop > wrote: > > Two real world examples would be elected officials to be contacted and some > corporations to be contacted. The former absolutely has reasons to be bulk > emailed, the latter possibly too. Both would be "published" email

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Michael Wise via mailop
Or … someone using a known spamtrap address on a DMV email contact address, and then that list being handed over to their apparent Member of Congress, who proceeded to send constituent emails to it … on the grounds that of course it was Opt-In (but not verified by a round-trip confirmation).

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Brett Schenker via mailop
Yes, I'm not talking random person just adding those addresses in this case. A prime real world example is an org updating state leaders on an issue. There's sort of a relationship, relationship, it is constituent feedback, it is bulk email. I'm sure some would call it spam but it is an example

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Rob McEwen via mailop
On 5/28/2019 4:21 PM, Brett Schenker via mailop wrote: Two real world examples would be elected officials to be contacted and some corporations to be contacted. The former absolutely has reasons to be bulk emailed, the latter possibly too. Both would be "published" email addresses. For your

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 5/28/19 12:58 PM, Kiersti Esparza via mailop wrote: Marketo will shift to the Adobe AUP in June which is more explicit.  I share this detail because I think it is going to make conversations about AUP enforcement a little easier for my team. https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms/aup.html A

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Brett Schenker via mailop
Two real world examples would be elected officials to be contacted and some corporations to be contacted. The former absolutely has reasons to be bulk emailed, the latter possibly too. Both would be "published" email addresses. For your average person, probably not but it's not a hard 100% rule as

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 5/28/19 12:37 PM, Steve Atkins via mailop wrote: On May 28, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote: Note that their stated policy is that it's OK to spam anyone whose email address has been "published". That is not what it says. Technically correct, but the only "publishers" of

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread John Levine via mailop
In article <9079c83f-98a4-4cb0-8ff0-acd354cf4...@isipp.com> you write: >I'm pretty much giving up on Marketo - and about to BL them and also recommend >to others that they do so - as I have *never* received anything other than spam >from them, and while they may still have a few good people

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Kiersti Esparza via mailop
Marketo will shift to the Adobe AUP in June which is more explicit. I share this detail because I think it is going to make conversations about AUP enforcement a little easier for my team. https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms/aup.html Please continue to send any complaints to ab...@marketo.com,

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Steve Atkins via mailop
> On May 28, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Jay Hennigan via mailop > wrote: > > On 5/28/19 10:57 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote: >> I'm pretty much giving up on Marketo - and about to BL them and also >> recommend to others that they do so - as I have *never* received anything >> other

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2019-05-28 12:00 p.m., Michael Wise via mailop wrote: "Unsolicited Email is defined as email sent to persons other than (i) persons with whom Customer has an existing business relationship, OR (ii) persons who have consented to the receipt of such email, including publishing or providing

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Michael Wise via mailop
So ... never, ever post one's email, "Online" ... Does this include to an industry mailinglist, I wonder ... if membership is unvetted? Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool ?

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 5/28/19 10:57 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote: I'm pretty much giving up on Marketo - and about to BL them and also recommend to others that they do so - as I have *never* received anything other than spam from them, and while they may still have a few good people there, it

Re: [mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Kiersti Esparza via mailop
Hello Anne, I am still here at Marketo and am still running Marketo's deliverability team, it seems like forever now! :) Our abuse team responds to just about every email received to our abuse@ alias this is always the best way to reach them. For those complaints that come from people we know

[mailop] About to blacklist Marketo - has anyone received non-spam from them?

2019-05-28 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop
I'm pretty much giving up on Marketo - and about to BL them and also recommend to others that they do so - as I have *never* received anything other than spam from them, and while they may still have a few good people there, it doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference overall. Does

Re: [mailop] Any contact to Google to debug 'aspmx' troubles?

2019-05-28 Thread Benoit Panizzon via mailop
Hi Grant > Why are messages, presumably from a human, outbound from RT/4 setting > the Precedence: header to bulk? I suppose to silence auto-responders to prevent them to play email ping-pong. I know the good old 'vacation' tool does not reply on presence of the bulk header. And also RT/4