It appears that Grant Taylor via mailop said:
>I'd be worried that some (web) MUAs would deal with multipart/digest
>worse than they deal with message/rfc822 contained in the former.
>Especially with the comment that someone made about inline vs attachment
>disposition of the message/rfc822
On 7/14/23 9:22 PM, John Levine via mailop wrote:
Well, sure. What do you think mailing list MIME digests are?
I assume that you're referring to multipart/digest.
The disadvantage is that a lot of mail systems, particularly popular
webmail, deal poorly with embedded messages.
Agreed.
I'd
It appears that Michael Peddemors via mailop said:
>On 2023-07-14 09:20, Slavko via mailop wrote:
>
>You all realize that the poor guy looking for a guide on how to set up
>and email server long since left, you scared him to death with the
>complexity..
Um, that was me who asked the question
It appears that Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop said:
>Has anyone on this list tried forwarding (e.g. for ex-employees) via
>attachment?
Well, sure. What do you think mailing list MIME digests are?
The disadvantage is that a lot of mail systems, particularly popular
webmail, deal poorly with
It appears that Thomas Walter via mailop said:
>Hey Michael,
>
>On 13.07.23 00:53, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:
>> And yes, email forwarding will break.. but email forwarding remotely
>> should be killed off anyways.. everyone can log into two accounts.
>
>Everyone has always been able to
It appears that Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop said:
>Most of regular consumer email users don't have any reason for this. As Bill
>Cole, whom I was replying to, wrote - nobody would try to impersonate you or
>me in a phishing campaign for financial gain, because there won't be any.
Since we all seem
On 7/14/2023 11:21 AM, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote:
Suggest you might consider changing the topic, if you want to argue
the various nuances and complexities of SPF/DKIM/DMARC etc..?
And break existing threading and avoid any ignore thread filters that
people have put in place?
That seems
On 14 July 2023 18:24:45 Dave Crocker via mailop wrote:
We need to 'encourage' people to run their own mail servers, not scare
them away..
We also need to encourage people to do all the servicing for their car,
to build their own house, and to grow their own food.
Or we might take a
On 7/14/23 11:20 AM, Slavko via mailop wrote:
Hi,
Hi Slavko,
Possible? Yes. Expected? Hard to tell... See latter.
From which point of view?
My experience is that hard and fast usually surfaces errors much closer
to the time they are introduced.
Conversely soft and slow usually causes
On 7/14/2023 11:20 AM, Paul Smith wrote:
On 14 July 2023 18:24:45 Dave Crocker via mailop
wrote:
We need to 'encourage' people to run their own mail servers, not scare
them away..
We also need to encourage people to do all the servicing for their car,
to build their own house, and to
On 7/14/23 11:31 AM, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:
You all realize that the poor guy looking for a guide on how to set up
and email server long since left, you scared him to death with the
complexity..
Why does an active ongoing conversation between multiple parties need to
stop
We need to 'encourage' people to run their own mail servers, not scare
them away..
We also need to encourage people to do all the servicing for their car,
to build their own house, and to grow their own food.
Or we might take a somewhat more modern view of life and deal
pragmatically
On 2023-07-14 09:20, Slavko via mailop wrote:
You all realize that the poor guy looking for a guide on how to set up
and email server long since left, you scared him to death with the
complexity..
We need to 'encourage' people to run their own mail servers, not scare
them away..
Suggest
Hi,
Dňa 13. júla 2023 23:42:15 UTC používateľ Grant Taylor via mailop
napísal:
>I absolutely think that it's quite possible to apply SPF independently
>nowadays.
Possible? Yes. Expected? Hard to tell... See latter.
>Is it better to fail soft and slow or hard and fast?
From which point of
On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 8:54 AM Larry Smith via mailop
wrote:
> Hmmm, so are these simply connections this filter is blocking
> or verifiable (high probability of spam source) spam connections?
>
Spam. Of course.
> From the conversation it seems mom and pop's are the ones losing
>
"seems"
On Fri July 14 2023 09:26, Marcel Becker via mailop wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 12:46 AM Thomas Mechtersheimer via mailop <
>
> mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
> > Do you have any numbers that suggest that this specific method does
> > filter a significant amount of spam which other filters would
On 7/14/23 9:26 AM, Marcel Becker via mailop wrote:
Yes, of course. We wouldn't do it otherwise. It's billions. And it kept
getting worse.
Can ~> will you share any rough (as in order of magnitude / log10)
numbers? -- If so, please do.
One of the things that I find so confusing about this
On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 12:46 AM Thomas Mechtersheimer via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
>
> Do you have any numbers that suggest that this specific method does filter
> a significant amount of spam which other filters would not recognise?
>
Yes, of course. We wouldn't do it otherwise. It's
In message <56b83491-6441-4d1e-a3ef-008da3311...@slavino.sk>, Slavko via
mailop writes
>When spammers are able to create proper DNS records directly used
>in email authentification, what problem will be the SOA record for them?
In order to have a domain with an SOA record they have to purchase
Dňa 14. júla 2023 7:16:43 UTC používateľ Thomas Mechtersheimer via mailop
napísal:
>I guess he means filtering based solely on the existance of a SOA record.
Of course, that is what this thread about... Thanks to clarify behind me ;-)
>Do you have any numbers that suggest that this specific
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 11:31:48AM -0700, Marcel Becker via mailop wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 11:19 AM Slavko via mailop
> wrote:
> > Would not be more effective to not use technique prone to false
> > positives? For both sides...
>
> So you mean not trying to filter spam or fight spammers
In message <601b01c7-1475-32e0-5aba-e595272e9...@tnetconsulting.net>,
Grant Taylor via mailop writes
>My concern is that Yahoo / AOL isn't creating an arbitrary "every domain
>must have an SOA record" and completely loosing sight of the fact that
>SOAs belong to the /zone/ apex and are not
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