Everybody is talking past each other with different scenarios in mind
and each has different answers. How useful can that be?
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> Is there any precedent on how fresh / recent the "established business
> relationship" must be to cover sending largely superfluous email?
Sure, simple. If it is superfluous, don't send it.
> If it's been less than a year since I conducted business with the sender and
> they have an unsubsc
On 3/27/2020 6:25 AM, Paul Smith via mailop wrote:
>> If the original poster meant something different by ESP, I
>> misunderstood their terminology.
>>
> That's fine. It's worth clarifying terminology.
Hi All,
Great point about terminology. I'm the CEO emeritus for Peregrine
Computer Consultants
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>On 3/26/20 11:20 AM, John R Levine via mailop wrote:
>> As I'm sure you're aware, we've seen way too much spam from people who
>> imagine that COVID is an excuse to reanimate zombie lists.
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>Is there any precedent on how fresh / recent the "est
On 3/27/2020 4:32 AM, Laura Atkins wrote:
> All in all, I think you need to look a lot harder at what your free
> customers are sending to their “friends and family” and think harder
> about restricting their ability to cause problems for your paying
> customers.
Just a note, we don't have free cu
On 27/03/2020 09:58, Laura Atkins wrote:
I understand why you consider yourself an ESP. That’s not how i would
refer to you. You’re an email hosting provider, because you host both
the inbound and the outbound piece of mail. ESPs handle outbound, and
the necessary bits of inbound to make SMT
> On 27 Mar 2020, at 09:05, Paul Smith via mailop wrote:
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> On 27/03/2020 08:32, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>> You have folks using a bulk ESP to send friends and family email? Do you
>> have a free package or something that makes it appealing for individuals to
>> go through all the work
On 27/03/2020 08:32, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
You have folks using a bulk ESP to send friends and family email? Do
you have a free package or something that makes it appealing for
individuals to go through all the work of setting up an ESP account
just to send personal mail to their frien
> On 26 Mar 2020, at 16:45, Kevin A. McGrail via mailop
> wrote:
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> On 3/26/2020 12:37 PM, John Levine wrote:
>> In article <62e55123-d1d0-f67b-9d03-191c8caaa...@pccc.com> you write:
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>>> We're a small ESP but respected and vigilant anti-spam community
>>> members. However, our mail vol
On 3/26/20 11:20 AM, John R Levine via mailop wrote:
As I'm sure you're aware, we've seen way too much spam from people who
imagine that COVID is an excuse to reanimate zombie lists.
Is there any precedent on how fresh / recent the "established business
relationship" must be to cover sending l
On 3/26/2020 1:09 PM, Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote:
> It's primarily fatigue on how XYZ place is dealing with the virus
> where the recipient hasn't heard from XYZ place in the better part of
> a decade.
We'll agree to disagree. This isn't spam as there was consent and it's
transactional based.
Messages of all type but not a single feedback loop complaint. These
are definitely FPs as I disagree with your statement that a notice about
COVID-19 from someone who signed up to a list would be false positives.
?? These are confirmed, opt-in customer / community lists. Things like
Fire Depa
On 3/26/20 09:45, Kevin A. McGrail via mailop wrote:
On 3/26/2020 12:37 PM, John Levine wrote:
Do you know what your customers are sending? If it's blasts of "hey
person who visited our web site eight years ago, we're very concerned
about COVID and we're washing our hands and here's a coupon
On 3/26/2020 12:37 PM, John Levine wrote:
> In article <62e55123-d1d0-f67b-9d03-191c8caaa...@pccc.com> you write:
>
>> We're a small ESP but respected and vigilant anti-spam community
>> members. However, our mail volume is through the roof because of the
>> pandemic and we're seeing false positi
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