Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-12 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
Marcus, I'd be willing to offer up my server for use as an SMTP relay, after getting a bit of understanding of the current mail stream and its reputation. I'm running a server doing very similar things to yours, and I generally don't have any Microsoft issues (today, anyway). Combining good mail

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-12 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Am 11.07.21 um 19:39 schrieb Marcus Hoffmann via mailop: ... > > Original sending IP: 176.9.145.28 > New sender: 5.45.96.14 As others have already noted, Hetzner has a somewhat bad reputation. From my experience, this may somewhat be explained by their intransparent and subjectively ineffective

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-12 Thread Christof Meerwald via mailop
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 07:39:31PM +0200, Marcus Hoffmann via mailop wrote: > for context, I run a small mailserver, used by mainly me and a couple of > friends and famely. I also run a few webservices which sometimes send > transactional emails to people who sign up there. (Mainly a weblate

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-12 Thread Alan Hodgson via mailop
On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 00:11 +0200, Marcus Hoffmann via mailop wrote: > > Someone suggested routing emails to MS and google domains through Amazon > SES. Would that actually make things better? I'd suggest a more end-user friendly relay, like Duocircle or Dynu's relay service, who don't mess

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-12 Thread Benoit Panizzon via mailop
Hi Marcus I had a similar issue some time ago. Google uses some 'Domain Reputation' Woodoo. I used to operate an automated spam feedback loop from my spamtrap, under a specific hostname in my domain. One only used for those reports. Unfortunately, it looks like some 'abuse contact addresses'

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-11 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2021-07-12 06:11:35 (+0800), Marcus Hoffmann via mailop wrote: On 11.07.21 23:27, John Levine wrote: Netcup isn't fabulous, but it's better than Hetzner. So, what would be even better then? (Netcup was just the next best available option here in DE. And well, the cheapest.) I've had

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-11 Thread John R Levine via mailop
On Mon, 12 Jul 2021, Marcus Hoffmann wrote: (Others at Hetzner seem to do fine. I really do not get the whole rating IP neighborhoods thing, but let's not get into that again. I can't change it anyway.) I can only speak for myself, but I have all of Hetzner's IPs routed into the spam trap,

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-11 Thread Marcus Hoffmann via mailop
On 11.07.21 23:27, John Levine wrote: It appears that Marcus Hoffmann via mailop said: I spent the whole weekend (again) trying to get mails from my server not to be marked as spam by Google and Microsoft. You're at Hetzner, so it's a losing battle. You're in a bad neighborhood. So I've

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-11 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Am 11.07.21 um 19:39 schrieb Marcus Hoffmann via mailop: > Which leads me to the question: What on earth would I need to do to be able > to send emails to MS controlled > mailservers which people will actually read? One does not simply send mails to outlook/hotmail Sorry, could not resist.

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-11 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Marcus Hoffmann via mailop said: >I spent the whole weekend (again) trying to get mails from my server not >to be marked as spam by Google and Microsoft. You're at Hetzner, so it's a losing battle. You're in a bad neighborhood. >After trying about everything under the sun I

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-11 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
> If your correspondent opens a ticket with MS and says "I want to get email from Marcus and it goes into spam and I don't think it should", they may put mitigation in for you. It has less effect if you are the one opening the ticket though. What ticket form would these people need to fill out?

Re: [mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-11 Thread Mike Reed via mailop
Hi Marcus, Is this mail ending up in spam folders or never appearing to your correspondents at all? It helps a lot if you can get your correspondents to mark the emails from you as "not spam" in their apps. You might learn some additional information if you can get some to send back the headers.

[mailop] So how do you actually manage to send mails to outlook/hotmail?

2021-07-11 Thread Marcus Hoffmann via mailop
Hi, for context, I run a small mailserver, used by mainly me and a couple of friends and famely. I also run a few webservices which sometimes send transactional emails to people who sign up there. (Mainly a weblate instance with around 150 or so users). The total volume of sent emails is