Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Andy Smith via mailop
Hi Luis, On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 04:54:20PM -0700, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote: > I guess I'm trying to say is that getting abuse complaints to the right > hands, at scale, is way harder than it seems. "Streamlining" the process is > hard, No argument from me: no easy-seeming here! It's plain

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Mark Foster via mailop
nal Message- From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Luis E. Muñoz via mailop Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2019 11:54 a.m. To: Andy Smith Cc: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing On 27 Aug 2019, at 16:23, Andy Smith via mailop wrote: > So, where el

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
On 27 Aug 2019, at 16:23, Andy Smith via mailop wrote: So, where else can one go to streamline the spam reporting process? This page lists only SpamCop and Abusix: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_reporting As far as I can see Abusix in this context is only an IP-to-abuse-contact lookup

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Andy Smith via mailop
Hi Al, On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 09:29:32AM -0500, Al Iverson via mailop wrote: > You're new to a very old problem. Yes it seems I am, as I've had a misunderstanding about SpamCop for a really long time. > I could probably find blog posts I wrote in 2003 complaining about > how Spamcop chooses to

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Andy Smith via mailop
Hello, On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:07:21AM -0700, Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote: > On 8/27/19 03:54, Andy Smith via mailop wrote: > >Last week or so I noticed that I can no longer send SpamCop reports > >to a large hosting provider. The option now shows up as: > > >

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:48 AM Michael Peddemors via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > On 2019-08-27 10:07 a.m., Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote: > > Don't use Spamcop then. Send your complaints directly to the abuse desk. > > Let us know if it does any good. > > While overall great comments,

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:09 AM Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote: [snip] > > Or take the chance and hit the "Unsubscribe" link on something to which > you never subscribed. This risks the possibility that your address will > be sold to other spammers as "one who has responded to similar offers". >

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Richard W via mailop
I did make contact with Andy through the deputies' queue. In this case is is one big provider that has been ignoring a well known spammer on their network that sends our hundreds of messages per day "I have removed the user" Richard On 2019-08-27 4:54 a.m., Andy Smith via mailop wrote:

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2019-08-27 10:07 a.m., Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote: Don't use Spamcop then. Send your complaints directly to the abuse desk. Let us know if it does any good. While overall great comments, we all have to realize the frustration of those involved in sending reports 'directly' as well..

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 8/27/19 03:54, Andy Smith via mailop wrote: Last week or so I noticed that I can no longer send SpamCop reports to a large hosting provider. The option now shows up as: abuse#example@devnull.spamcop.net with no explanatory text. Spamcop doesn't send reports to well known spammers

Re: [mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
You're new to a very old problem. I could probably find blog posts I wrote in 2003 complaining about how Spamcop chooses to block reports to some platforms or networks and how it's confusing to the end user because it looks like the provider is rejecting them, which is not true. You'll never get

[mailop] SpamCop and listwashing

2019-08-27 Thread Andy Smith via mailop
Hello, Are there any representatives of SpamCop here? Last week or so I noticed that I can no longer send SpamCop reports to a large hosting provider. The option now shows up as: abuse#example@devnull.spamcop.net with no explanatory text. In the past when I have seen this, I have assumed