Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Vittorio Bertola via mailop
> Il 24 aprile 2019 alle 14.29 Mike Hammett ha scritto: > > I think a lot of the thought is that "everyone" uses Comcast, Google, > Microsoft, Yahoo, etc. for the client side and the other side of the coin is > Mailgun, SendGrid, Mandrill, SES, etc. The concept of there being a server >

Re: [mailop] Contact at tds.net

2019-04-24 Thread Chris Kolbenschlag
I sent one to ab...@tds.net and got an auto reply and I followed up a few times with no luck. Thank you for contacting TDS Internet Abuse. We are looking into your issue. If you're reporting spam from our network please be sure to include the full message headers with your report. TDS

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Michael Wise via mailop
There are many thresholds. As for your last paragraph … um, been watching the news lately? ICYMI… https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-email-hack-outlook-hotmail-customer-support/ Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen Has

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Laura Atkins
Places like google are really good at separating out individual mail streams. The folks who use ESPs but still send a few tens of thousands a month are struggling in some cases. And they’re not able to send enough volume to really move the dial on the ML filters. It’s not just webmail

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Brielle Bruns
Ahhh its... amusing, watching this thread go on, having run a DNSbl for a long time. *leans back in a rocking chair on her back porch* Pepperidge Farm 'members a time where DNSbl maintainers were crucified for not being 'open enough' about why IPs were listed. Or not being fast enough at

Re: [mailop] Our customers e-mail constantly going to outlook.com junkmail (any Microsoft people around?)

2019-04-24 Thread Chris Malton (Delta V)
Right, this has got beyond a joke now - not this thread, the situation. I have customers (on Office 365) that, up until a week or so ago, I could email with no issue. I now find myself unable to email them and seemingly every single email I send them is being dropped on the floor after

[mailop] ConvertKit

2019-04-24 Thread Brotman, Alexander
Does anyone have a contact at this ESP that they'd be willing to share? (beyond support@) Thank you -- Alex Brotman Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy Comcast ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org

Re: [mailop] ConvertKit

2019-04-24 Thread Will Boyd via mailop
Hit me up offlist. Will On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:46 AM Brotman, Alexander < alexander_brot...@comcast.com> wrote: > Does anyone have a contact at this ESP that they'd be willing to share? > (beyond support@) > > Thank you > > -- > Alex Brotman > Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy >

Re: [mailop] Our customers e-mail constantly going to outlook.com junkmail (any Microsoft people around?)

2019-04-24 Thread Michael Wise via mailop
In Office365, unless the tenant has set up some very specific configurations, this should not happen. I’ve sent you a query off-list, and we’ll figure out what’s happening. Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." Got the

[mailop] Contact at tds.net

2019-04-24 Thread Simplelists - Andrew Beverley
Hi, Is there anyone here who can help with delivery problems to tds.net? I have tried postmas...@tds.net but I get: postmas...@tds.net (reading confirmation): 554 5.4.6 mail loop detected And their online forms seem to be orientated towards their own users. Thanks, Andy

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Brian Kantor
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 09:59:20AM +0100, Laura Atkins wrote: > > Have you ever handled delivery support for an ISP? > > If you haven’t I respectfully suggest that you might want to talk to a few of > the folks who do the work about their actual working environment before > making such

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Laura Atkins
> On 24 Apr 2019, at 10:20, Brian Kantor wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 09:59:20AM +0100, Laura Atkins wrote: >> >> Have you ever handled delivery support for an ISP? >> >> If you haven’t I respectfully suggest that you might want to talk to a few >> of the folks who do the work about

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Paul Smith
On 24/04/2019 02:22, John Levine wrote: But the vast majority of people who would use a system like that would be spammers to try to get their unwanted mail delivered. That's never going to happen. The thing is that Microsoft have the SDNS system already. But for small senders it's of

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Laura Atkins
> On 24 Apr 2019, at 09:40, Paul Smith wrote: > >> Outlook has no idea who you are, and they have no way to tell you from >> any other mailer whose mail they're not delivering. > > When you contact Microsoft about an IP address, THEY should be able to see > what some recent messages from that

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Most of the big mailers have those problems with low-volume senders. I doubt it'll ever be fixed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul Smith" To: mailop@mailop.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Laura Atkins
You’re absolutely right, there is a massive challenge for small senders these days. I even blogged about it a couple weeks ago (https://wordtothewise.com/2019/04/email-filters-and-small-sends/) I don’t think it’s permanent, I think the filters will adapt, eventually. I think discussions in

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Paul Smith
On 24/04/2019 10:51, Laura Atkins wrote: You cut the portion of the previous post I was specifically responding to. Specifically this sentence: “[MS employees should] be able to guess if you're a probable spammer or a legitimate sender who's been caught out, and then be helpful or not

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Laura Atkins
> On 24 Apr 2019, at 11:21, Paul Smith wrote: > > On 24/04/2019 10:51, Laura Atkins wrote: >> >> >> You cut the portion of the previous post I was specifically responding to. >> Specifically this sentence: >> >> “[MS employees should] be able to guess if you're a probable spammer or a >>

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
I think a lot of the thought is that "everyone" uses Comcast, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc. for the client side and the other side of the coin is Mailgun, SendGrid, Mandrill, SES, etc. The concept of there being a server with a few hundred users sending a few hundred messages a day in

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-24 Thread Michael Rathbun
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 11:43:56 +0100, Laura Atkins wrote: >Ah. You’re new here. According to reports by MS employees the use of >boilerplates is mandated by legal and nothing can be sent that is not >pre-approved by the legal department. Occasionally real information may leak through. When I