Re: [mailop] Microsoft Consumer Email Deliverability Issue

2021-05-01 Thread Matt Corallo via mailop
As far as I can tell, there's nothing you can do. You can try a non-Hetzner IP, sure, but plenty of people on here (like me!) have a dedicated IP in their own IP space for sending mail and still go straight to Hotmail-Junk. Rate limiting might help, but if you send too *few* mails Microsoft's

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Consumer Email Deliverability Issue

2021-05-01 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
The fact that filling out their support ticket does nothing except generate canned responses and that you have to come here to Mailops to get any movement on a blocked IP address or blocked server - you would think that that would tell Microsoft something about how ineffective their support ticket

Re: [mailop] Haraka status? Exim the only choice? (v Postfix)

2021-05-01 Thread Vsevolod Stakhov via mailop
On 01/05/2021 10:09, Thomas Walter via mailop wrote: > > > On 01.05.21 09:05, Chris via mailop wrote: >> Heh. You've never used Qpsmtpd or Haraka, I can tell. Haraka and > > Nope. Didn't have to. That's why I was curious about use cases that were > not possible with the more common MTAs. >

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Consumer Email Deliverability Issue

2021-05-01 Thread Pierre Ozoux via mailop
Hi! (I'm new here, so if I'm doing mistakes, do not hesitate to tell me with MP, or public, I'd like to respect the community) We are a small provider based in France ( https://indiehosters.net ) and we have all in place (DMARC, DKIM, PTR, SNDS, JMRP, and a really strict SPF) Since a

Re: [mailop] Mailfront, was Haraka status? Exim the only choice? (v Postfix)

2021-05-01 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Chris via mailop said: >There's a third called "mailfront" that uses plugin C >modules. I know almost nothing more about it, other than its similar in >intent/architecture. I think the community surrounding it is even smaller. > >Still running it John? Yup, works great. It's

Re: [mailop] Mailfront, was Haraka status? Exim the only choice? (v Postfix)

2021-05-01 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Chris via mailop said: >There's a third called "mailfront" that uses plugin C >modules. I know almost nothing more about it, other than its similar in >intent/architecture. I think the community surrounding it is even smaller. > >Still running it John? Yup, works great. It's

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Consumer Email Deliverability Issue

2021-05-01 Thread André Peters via mailop
I can only agree. Using Outlook means check your junk for important mail and find a lot of trash in your inbox. We have moved countless new customers away from Outlook because of this issue. I don't know why they don't care. Really. > Am 01.05.2021 um 18:55 schrieb Matt Corallo via mailop :

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Consumer Email Deliverability Issue

2021-05-01 Thread Matt Corallo via mailop
If you're a small-scale sender, this is just the way it goes with Outlook.com - SNDS doesn't do anything except provide you %s, and because the number of emails from small-scale senders is so low (and the "customers" here don't even pay for the service), Microsoft isn't incentivized to fix the

Re: [mailop] Haraka status? Exim the only choice? (v Postfix)

2021-05-01 Thread Matthias Leisi via mailop
> I used Postfix along time but my experience is that it is incredible > difficult to implement custom logic especially across the different > binaries/processes it uses to fulfil a mail delivery transaction. Its > designed in the "unix philosophy" and has good performance - great but >

Re: [mailop] Haraka status? Exim the only choice? (v Postfix)

2021-05-01 Thread Thomas Walter via mailop
On 01.05.21 09:05, Chris via mailop wrote: > Heh. You've never used Qpsmtpd or Haraka, I can tell. Haraka and Nope. Didn't have to. That's why I was curious about use cases that were not possible with the more common MTAs. > qpsmtpd are basically skeletons where you can insert plugins to >

Re: [mailop] Haraka status? Exim the only choice? (v Postfix)

2021-05-01 Thread Heiko Schlittermann via mailop
I forgot the "selling point" that hooked me: The specification. http://exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/index.html It simply contains everything you need. But the reader has to understand, that setup/operation of mail server can be a complex task. As you're on *this* mailop

Re: [mailop] Haraka status? Exim the only choice? (v Postfix)

2021-05-01 Thread Heiko Schlittermann via mailop
Hi Rob, I'm biased as part of the Exim development team. Exim - is actively maintained - has a huge user base - provides more flexibility than other MTA I'm aware of (but, this is *my* PoV) > That mean Exim is the only real choice? It was a good laughing from this > recent mailop post about

Re: [mailop] Haraka status? Exim the only choice? (v Postfix)

2021-05-01 Thread Chris via mailop
Heh. You've never used Qpsmtpd or Haraka, I can tell. Haraka and qpsmtpd are basically skeletons where you can insert plugins to do/redefine anything you want pre/during/post any step of SMTP. Want to extend/redefine SMTP? Sure. Parallelize queries to any kind of database? Fine. Regexp

Re: [mailop] Haraka status? Exim the only choice? (v Postfix)

2021-05-01 Thread Thomas Walter via mailop
Hello MRob, On 01.05.21 05:18, MRob via mailop wrote: > I used Postfix along time but my experience is that it is incredible > difficult to implement custom logic especially across the different > binaries/processes it uses to fulfil a mail delivery transaction. Its > designed in the "unix