> Am 02.06.2021 um 06:08 schrieb Jay Hennigan via mailop :
>
> On 6/1/21 20:55, John Levine via mailop wrote:
>
>> You really REALLY do not want your mail provider to deliver every message.
>> At large mail systems, typically 90% or more of the incoming mail is spam.
>> Without aggressive
That would shut down email as a viable communications mechanism almost
immediately.
Aloha,
Michael.
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From: mailop On Behalf Of yuv via mailop
Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 9:10 PM
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [mailop] protection.outlook.com refusing to
That should not be happening currently in Consumer mail (Outlook, Hotmail, et
al).
Aloha,
Michael.
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From: mailop On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan via mailop
Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 9:04 PM
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [mailop] protection.outlook.com
On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 23:55 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> > All what recipients AND mailers want is a reliable email service,
> >
> You really REALLY do not want your mail provider to deliver every
> message.
Agree. What I do want (but probably not even Santa can give me) is to
make
On 6/1/21 20:55, John Levine via mailop wrote:
You really REALLY do not want your mail provider to deliver every message.
At large mail systems, typically 90% or more of the incoming mail is spam.
Without aggressive filtering, e-mail would be unusable.
Agreed 100%. Another thing that you
It appears that yuv via mailop said:
>> It's not just bulk mailers who overestimate how much their recipients
>> want their mail.
>
>All what recipients AND mailers want is a reliable email service, like
>snail mail. I don't like the invoices, solicitations, and other things
>that land in my
On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 21:22 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> if the recipients of the mail don't complain when they
> don't get it, it's hard for the mail system operator to feel very
> motivated
The recipients don't even know they have a reason to complain. The
motivation *should* come
It appears that Scott Mutter via mailop said:
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>The issue - at least to me - has always been that Microsoft is viewed as
>this big, huge company that can do no wrong.
I don't think anyone has said that. Microsoft's mail systems have accreted
over the years and are
Oh man! They got the whole ASN !
Not just the A but the S and the N too!
Thorough 浪
--
J. Hellenthal
The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a
lot about anticipated traffic volume.
> On Jun 1, 2021, at 05:38, André Peters via mailop wrote:
>
> Von:
The issue - at least to me - has always been that Microsoft is viewed as
this big, huge company that can do no wrong.
When our users have issues sending to Microsoft email servers - it's
obviously because *we're* stupid and something is wrong with *our* server.
It can't possibly be a Microsoft
Hi,
It's unfortunate to see others experiencing the same issues we've had with
Microsoft in general. We're not a massive player in the market and constantly
experience these service-disrupting incidents with MS and Office365.
(Side note - I am also personally a paying premium customer of
Am 01.06.21 um 21:39 schrieb John Levine via mailop:
>
> No, it's to deliver the mail that the users want. One point that bulk
> mailers often miss is that, while the recipients at large providers do
> not object to getting the bulk mail, they also do not really want it.
We're not talking about
Dnia 1.06.2021 o godz. 15:39:15 John Levine via mailop pisze:
>
> No, it's to deliver the mail that the users want. One point that bulk
> mailers often miss is that, while the recipients at large providers do
> not object to getting the bulk mail, they also do not really want it.
>
> So if the
On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 15:39 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> It appears that Johann Klasek via mailop <
> klasek+mai...@zid.tuwien.ac.at> said:
> > the aim is, that everyone on the recipient site
> > is obligated to provide best possible reachability.
>
> No, it's to deliver the mail that
It appears that Johann Klasek via mailop said:
>Sorry, I can't here this capitalistic sarcasm anymore ... maybe I got
>this wrong anyhow, but the aim is, that everyone on the recipient site
>is obligated to provide best possible reachability.
No, it's to deliver the mail that the users want. One
On Tue, Jun 01, 2021 at 02:48:23PM -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> It appears that Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop said:
> >Glad to hear that they could help you but I'm of the stubborn kind - we're
> >not doing anything wrong, we're not spamming,
> >we're not in a spammy neighborhood
Am 01.06.21 um 20:48 schrieb John Levine via mailop:
>
> You should definitely demand a full refund of all the money you've paid
> Microsoft to deliver your mail.
>
> Oh, wait, ...
Well I'd be happy if they just paid a little bit for the time that I had to
spend to protect our users from their
It appears that Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop said:
>Glad to hear that they could help you but I'm of the stubborn kind - we're not
>doing anything wrong, we're not spamming,
>we're not in a spammy neighborhood (afaik). That StupidScreen® Filter or
>whatever is deciding that our mail should be
Hi,
> Glad to hear that they could help you but I'm of the stubborn kind - we're
> not doing anything wrong, we're not spamming,
> we're not in a spammy neighborhood (afaik). That StupidScreen® Filter or
> whatever is deciding that our mail should be
> temp rejected for a day is the thing
jay> Jay's Law: Any product released by a technology company with
jay> "Smart" in it's name will do stupid things.
I find the following definition of "smart" from dictionary.com to be
almost perfect in this context:
"to be the cause of a sharp, stinging pain, as an irritating
application, a
On 6/1/21 03:39, Daniel K. via mailop wrote:
It turned out that my ISPs email servers was on the Microsoft shit-list,
and that, quote:
messages are being filtered (i.e. sent to the Junk folder) based on the
recommendations of the SmartScreen® Filter.
I propose an Internet law:
Jay's Law:
Am 01.06.21 um 12:39 schrieb Daniel K. via mailop:
> ...
> I don't know anything about the specific error code you showed upthread,
> but I finally managed to get in touch with Hotmail sender support
> regarding my own problem - by using another email address than the one
> used in the form.
>
>
On 6/1/21 10:04 AM, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
> Am 28.05.21 um 15:22 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop:
>> Am 28.05.21 um 13:47 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop:
>>> Anyone from Microsoft/Outlook available to look into the matter?
>> Seems everything is ok now - either someone
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Betreff: Re: [mailop] protection.outlook.com refusing to accept mail
with misleading temp error message
Am 28.05.21 um 15:22 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop:
Am 28.05.21 um 13:47 schrieb
Am 28.05.21 um 15:22 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop:
> Am 28.05.21 um 13:47 schrieb Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop:
>> Anyone from Microsoft/Outlook available to look into the matter?
> Seems everything is ok now - either someone looked into the matter (thanks!)
> or some timeout ran out
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