Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
On 2022-01-17 at 10:12:43 UTC-0500 (Mon, 17 Jan 2022 09:12:43 -0600) John Gateley via mailop is rumored to have said: As I said in my original message, everyone talks about how Linode (or any platform) is terrible, but nobody makes positive suggestions. It does rather say something about the *concept* of running a mail system on a "cloud" platform in general. One broad strategy in the fight against spam has been to intentionally make it difficult to stand up a high-functioning mail system quickly. This is a direct attack on the longstanding spammer tactic of abandoning 'burnt' domains, IPs, etc. once they get noticed by reputation services and switching to unsullied resources. Any service provider that allows new users to stand up a new VM with unrestricted outbound port 25 access without human oversight and gatekeeping is going to be abused and is going to be noticed as a source of trouble. Running your own mail system in 2022 is not usually a smart choice. The providers whose network space is not broadly shunned are those who will cost more and will try to talk you out of running your own mail system on their networks. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
On 2022-01-17 at 05:46:02 UTC-0500 (Mon, 17 Jan 2022 11:46:02 +0100) Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop is rumored to have said: So I would like to ask: is there anybody who blocks Google? By default, on my personal system, yes. Exemptions to that default mean that I only ever actually reject spam from Google machines. The only senders there who hit the default are those who use spammer tactics to find addresses. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
On 1/17/22 11:47 AM, John Levine via mailop wrote: Some of us have limited enthusiasm for providing free consulting to organizations who for whatever reason don't manage their users' misbehavior. My opinion about Linode is that it's not the worst but it's far from the best. I use a small hosting provider called Tektonic that nobody has ever heard of because nobody sees spam from them. They have a fairly hard-nosed outgoing mail policy, it all goes through "transparent" filters unless you can give them a sensible reason to turn the filters off. I am not really an "organization", just a long time IT person who has hosted my own server for many years. It is true I do not manage my user's behavior: my only user is my wife, and it would not lead to a happy marriage if I tried to manage her behavior. But the server only hosts the two of us, no mailing lists or other users. It is incredibly small volume, and we don't bulk email anyone for any reason. Thank you VERY much for the Tektonic recommendation. John ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
[Trimming most of the message] On 1/16/22 9:27 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via mailop wrote: The important part in that statement is "via mailop". The mailing list accepted and re-distributed the message. If you tried to email Noel directly, it probably wouldn't go through. Noel isn't the only one who blocks linode. -A As I said in my original message, everyone talks about how Linode (or any platform) is terrible, but nobody makes positive suggestions. How about helping out, instead of just criticizing? John ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
Hi Noel, Excerpting from my original message in this thread: "I have seen on this list ... Linode is terrible... I have never seen 'Platform X is great..'" You have now said the first, how about contributing to the latter? John On 1/16/22 8:52 PM, Noel Butler via mailop wrote: You dont send to us then :) There are a few ranges of linode's blocked here On 17/01/2022 12:43, Mary via mailop wrote: I'm hosted at linode and I manage 100+ mail servers there. To be honest, I would highly suggest linode for mail server hosting, since over the past 6 years, this is the first time I encountered a problem. No blocks, emails to gmail/hotmail/yahoo go to inbox, never being blocked by spamhaus and the servers are super fast. Their API is their selling point, since I can manage my own servers with my own tools (ansible in this case). This recent incident with Microsoft is a sore spot and so far a unique occurrence. On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 20:23:46 -0600 John Gateley via mailop wrote: I did misunderstand Michael's reply, but not in the manner you suggest. He contacted kindly off list and mentioned a huge backlog of items to be processed. Since you bring it up, I have seen on this list several times Linode is terrible for hosting mailservers I have also seen that for other hosting platforms (AWS for instance). I have never seen someone say "platform X is fantastic at hosting mailservers". Is there a platform that doesn't instantly provoke the response: "Well, of course they are blocking you, you are on platform X"? Thanks John ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop -- Regards, Noel Butler This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this message without the authors express written authority to do so. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender then delete all copies of this message including attachments immediately. Confidentiality, copyright, and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery of this message. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
Dnia 16.01.2022 o godz. 19:27:28 Aaron C. de Bruyn via mailop pisze: > Noel isn't the only one who blocks linode. It has been mentioned multiple times on this list that there are mail recipients who block entire particular providers' IP space from sending mail to them (for example Linode, AWS or OVH). So I would like to ask: is there anybody who blocks Google? As Gmail *is* indeed a huge source of spam and - as it has been also mentioned multiple times on this list - they seem to don't react on spam originating from their servers. So if you are blocking another provider who - according to you - are a huge source of spam and don't react to spammers on their network, then Google should be treated the same way... So if you don't block Google, why the double standards? -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 6:54 PM Mary via mailop wrote: > > I'm hosted at linode and I manage 100+ mail servers there. To be honest, I > would highly suggest linode for mail server hosting, since over the past 6 > years, this is the first time I encountered a problem. > > No blocks, emails to gmail/hotmail/yahoo go to inbox, never being blocked > by spamhaus and the servers are super fast. Their API is their selling > point, since I can manage my own servers with my own tools (ansible in this > case). > This has been our experience as well over the past 7+ years. Linode has been great; no deliverability issues, very few hosting issues. Mark ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
Yes, but why would I block you specifically, are you spamming in your spare time tst tst :) On 17/01/2022 13:08, Mary via mailop wrote: You are still getting my mail via mailop, so all is fine :) On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:52:12 +1000 Noel Butler via mailop wrote: You dont send to us then :) There are a few ranges of linode's blocked here ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop -- Regards, Noel Butler This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this message without the authors express written authority to do so. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender then delete all copies of this message including attachments immediately. Confidentiality, copyright, and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery of this message.___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
Which is irrelevant in practice. He can block the entire world, but it still wouldn't make a difference to me, considering I am not mailing him directly, neither are my 100+ servers at linode. On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 19:27:28 -0800 "Aaron C. de Bruyn via mailop" wrote: > The important part in that statement is "via mailop". > The mailing list accepted and re-distributed the message. > If you tried to email Noel directly, it probably wouldn't go through. > Noel isn't the only one who blocks linode. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
The important part in that statement is "via mailop". The mailing list accepted and re-distributed the message. If you tried to email Noel directly, it probably wouldn't go through. Noel isn't the only one who blocks linode. -A On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 7:12 PM Mary via mailop wrote: > > You are still getting my mail via mailop, so all is fine :) > > > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:52:12 +1000 Noel Butler via mailop < > mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > > > You dont send to us then :) > > > > There are a few ranges of linode's blocked here > > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
You are still getting my mail via mailop, so all is fine :) On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:52:12 +1000 Noel Butler via mailop wrote: > You dont send to us then :) > > There are a few ranges of linode's blocked here > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
You dont send to us then :) There are a few ranges of linode's blocked here On 17/01/2022 12:43, Mary via mailop wrote: I'm hosted at linode and I manage 100+ mail servers there. To be honest, I would highly suggest linode for mail server hosting, since over the past 6 years, this is the first time I encountered a problem. No blocks, emails to gmail/hotmail/yahoo go to inbox, never being blocked by spamhaus and the servers are super fast. Their API is their selling point, since I can manage my own servers with my own tools (ansible in this case). This recent incident with Microsoft is a sore spot and so far a unique occurrence. On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 20:23:46 -0600 John Gateley via mailop wrote: I did misunderstand Michael's reply, but not in the manner you suggest. He contacted kindly off list and mentioned a huge backlog of items to be processed. Since you bring it up, I have seen on this list several times Linode is terrible for hosting mailservers I have also seen that for other hosting platforms (AWS for instance). I have never seen someone say "platform X is fantastic at hosting mailservers". Is there a platform that doesn't instantly provoke the response: "Well, of course they are blocking you, you are on platform X"? Thanks John ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop -- Regards, Noel Butler This Email, including attachments, may contain legally privileged information, therefore at all times remains confidential and subject to copyright protected under international law. You may not disseminate this message without the authors express written authority to do so. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender then delete all copies of this message including attachments immediately. Confidentiality, copyright, and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery of this message.___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Best hosting platform was Re: [EXTERNAL] Microsoft IP Filtering - sort of full details
I'm hosted at linode and I manage 100+ mail servers there. To be honest, I would highly suggest linode for mail server hosting, since over the past 6 years, this is the first time I encountered a problem. No blocks, emails to gmail/hotmail/yahoo go to inbox, never being blocked by spamhaus and the servers are super fast. Their API is their selling point, since I can manage my own servers with my own tools (ansible in this case). This recent incident with Microsoft is a sore spot and so far a unique occurrence. On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 20:23:46 -0600 John Gateley via mailop wrote: > I did misunderstand Michael's reply, but not in the manner you suggest. > He contacted kindly off list > and mentioned a huge backlog of items to be processed. > > Since you bring it up, I have seen on this list several times Linode is > terrible for hosting mailservers > I have also seen that for other hosting platforms (AWS for instance). > > I have never seen someone say "platform X is fantastic at hosting > mailservers". > Is there a platform that doesn't instantly provoke the response: > "Well, of course they are blocking you, you are on platform X"? > > Thanks > > John > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
