Re: [mailop] Maximum message size - tag along question.

2020-10-26 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
We choose our limits based on the base64 size and message that to the user, ie we say we handle 25MB attachments and set the message size limit at 4/3*25 + some overhead. For most users, trying to explain the differences is not useful. Brandon On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 10:43 PM Grant Taylor via

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-26 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 5:19 PM Ángel via mailop wrote: > On 2020-10-24 at 14:38 +0100, Andrew C Aitchison via mailop wrote: > > How reliable is the SIZE value in the EHLO response ? > > I would say it's reliable on how much they are able to receive. > Although it doesn't mean they are willing

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2020-10-25 Thread Ángel via mailop
On 2020-10-24 at 14:38 +0100, Andrew C Aitchison via mailop wrote: > How reliable is the SIZE value in the EHLO response ? I would say it's reliable on how much they are able to receive. Although it doesn't mean they are willing to send messages that big. I was in the same boat as Adam a few

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-24 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Am 24.10.20 um 19:19 schrieb John Levine via mailop: > > FTP was swell forty years ago but it's obsolete now. Nothing, > including the user names or passwords, is encrypted, and it needs to > set up a second TCP connection for each data transfer which confuses > NATs and firewalls. > > There are

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-24 Thread John Levine via mailop
In article <20201024112039.ga5...@rafa.eu.org>, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: >Dnia 24.10.2020 o godz. 01:36:08 Kenneth Porter via mailop pisze: >> >> The biggest problem with getting business partners to use FTP is >> that they're often not allowed to use 3rd party software (like > >In my

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2020-10-24 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via mailop
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020, Sidsel Jensen via mailop wrote: On 23 Oct 2020, at 20.08, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: By default we still distribute with a 10MG maximum size, but frankly almost all of our customers has bumped it to the maximum we recommend, which is 20MG. (the odd one even

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2020-10-24 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian via mailop
] Maximum message size On 23 Oct 2020, at 20.08, Michael Peddemors via mailop mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote: By default we still distribute with a 10MG maximum size, but frankly almost all of our customers has bumped it to the maximum we recommend, which is 20MG. (the odd one even went

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2020-10-24 Thread Sidsel Jensen via mailop
> On 23 Oct 2020, at 20.08, Michael Peddemors via mailop > wrote: > > By default we still distribute with a 10MG maximum size, but frankly almost > all of our customers has bumped it to the maximum we recommend, which is > 20MG. (the odd one even went to 30, but we don't recommend that) > >

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-24 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 24.10.2020 o godz. 01:36:08 Kenneth Porter via mailop pisze: > > The biggest problem with getting business partners to use FTP is > that they're often not allowed to use 3rd party software (like In my opinion, the biggest problem to use FTP is that it requires several steps which are not

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-24 Thread Kenneth Porter via mailop
--On Saturday, October 24, 2020 2:35 AM +0200 Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Why nobody ever tried to write a RFC for something like "sendfile" and implement it in MUAs? There was discussion recently on the Internet History list about FTP and how it used to be how email was done before

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size - tag along question.

2020-10-24 Thread Mark Foster via mailop
: [mailop] Maximum message size - tag along question. Do you take into account the 4/3 inflation with Base64 encoding and / or allow for any message body when setting the maximum message size that your servers allow? -- Grant. . . . unix || die ___ mailop

[mailop] Maximum message size - tag along question.

2020-10-23 Thread Grant Taylor via mailop
Do you take into account the 4/3 inflation with Base64 encoding and / or allow for any message body when setting the maximum message size that your servers allow? -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

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2020-10-23 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 23.10.2020 o godz. 22:48:42 Adam Moffett via mailop pisze: > > An additional argument is how much support labor is it worth to > guide/force/teach the use of cloud storage compared to the risks of > allowing larger emails? One of these is things is way easier. > Someday I may bow to the

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-23 Thread Thomas Walter via mailop
On 24.10.20 00:48, Adam Moffett via mailop wrote: > Nail on head Brandon. > > An additional argument is how much support labor is it worth to > guide/force/teach the use of cloud storage compared to the risks of > allowing larger emails?  One of these is things is way easier.  Someday > I may

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2020-10-23 Thread Adam Moffett via mailop
and compatibility. (BTW: *I* don't store my documents in my email. I'm just saying I understand why people do) -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Brandon Long via mailop" To: "Thomas Walter" Cc: "mailop" Sent: 10/23/2020 5:30:00 PM Subject: Re: [mailop] Maximum m

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2020-10-23 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
As much as we all may laugh at using email for these things, there are a bunch of benefits to it. For example, telling someone at a company to use some random external service to host their potentially confidential material is not a great sell and probably against the rules at most large

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-23 Thread L. Mark Stone via mailop
1:51:08 PM Subject: Re: [mailop] Maximum message size Most if not all places ask that you use a file sharing solution - google drive, box etc for large files. --srs From: mailop on behalf of Adam Moffett via mailop Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 11:17:00 PM To: mailop@mailop.org Subje

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2020-10-23 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian via mailop
mailto:a...@plexicomm.net>>; "mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org>" mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> Sent: 10/23/2020 1:39:06 PM Subject: Re: [mailop] Maximum message size How many providers are going to accept 200 mb emails if you enable this and someone then tries to send

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-23 Thread Thomas Walter via mailop
On 23.10.20 22:51, Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote: > Perhaps someone should come up with a protocol designed to transfer > files. They could name it File Transfer Protocol and abbreviate it FTP. I'd prefer something with "Secure" in it's name though, preferably in the front, so it shows the

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-23 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 23.10.2020 o godz. 17:47:00 Adam Moffett via mailop pisze: > Yes, it was set to 200MB years ago by request of an engineer sending > CAD files. > Now I have someone else who wants it larger. Does that someone know that services like WeTransfer or similar exist? Or that one can share files via

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-23 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 10/23/20 10:23, Adam Moffett via mailop wrote: I'm at 200MB maximum message size and have someone requesting we increase that limit. Is there any current consensus on what it should be? I think you'll find that the rest of the Internet has a limit far lower, about 20 MB is Never

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2020-10-23 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian via mailop
From: mailop on behalf of Michael Peddemors via mailop Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 11:38:53 PM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] Maximum message size By default we still distribute with a 10MG maximum size, but frankly almost all of our customers has bumped

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-23 Thread Robert Blayzor via mailop
On 10/23/20 1:23 PM, Adam Moffett via mailop wrote: > I'm at 200MB maximum message size and have someone requesting we > increase that limit. > > Is there any current consensus on what it should be? Sheesh... Sounds like someone needs Dropbox or Nextcloud... -- inoc.net!rblayzor XMPP:

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-23 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
By default we still distribute with a 10MG maximum size, but frankly almost all of our customers has bumped it to the maximum we recommend, which is 20MG. (the odd one even went to 30, but we don't recommend that) Too bad this isnt' escalated to a recommended standard. How about we use this

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-23 Thread Evert Mouw via mailop
On 10/23/20 7:23 PM, Adam Moffett via mailop wrote: I'm at 200MB maximum message size and have someone requesting we increase that limit. Is there any current consensus on what it should be? Current default max. message size for Postfix configurations: message_size_limit (default:

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2020-10-23 Thread Eric Tykwinski via mailop
to something like NextCloud/GDrive/OneDrive et al.. Sincerely, Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300 From: mailop On Behalf Of Suresh Ramasubramanian via mailop Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 1:39 PM To: Adam Moffett ; mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] Maximum message size How

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2020-10-23 Thread Adam Moffett via mailop
23/2020 1:39:06 PM Subject: Re: [mailop] Maximum message size How many providers are going to accept 200 mb emails if you enable this and someone then tries to send one out? --srs From: mailop on behalf of Adam Moff

Re: [mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-23 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian via mailop
How many providers are going to accept 200 mb emails if you enable this and someone then tries to send one out? --srs From: mailop on behalf of Adam Moffett via mailop Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 10:53:51 PM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [mailop] Maximum

[mailop] Maximum message size

2020-10-23 Thread Adam Moffett via mailop
I'm at 200MB maximum message size and have someone requesting we increase that limit. Is there any current consensus on what it should be? -- Adam Moffett, Network Engineer Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net Office: 1.866.759.4678 x104