Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-05 Thread Ángel via mailop
On 2022-02-02 at 21:31 -0600, Scott Mutter wrote: > Email - as we know it - should have been dead years ago. But instead > we keep adding band-aid after band-aid after band-aid to the system. Maybe what you call a band-aid was actually preferable? > Why is it impossible to take a look at what

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-03 Thread Mike via mailop
On 2/2/2022 10:31 PM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: > A lot of the issues stem from the way IT managers, and maybe technology > managers in general bathe in arrogance.  "There's no such thing as a > good idea, unless it is *my* idea."  It's easier to get blood out of a > stone than for someone in

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-03 Thread G. Miliotis via mailop
On 3/2/22 13:59, Andrew C Aitchison via mailop wrote: To me any system that aims to replace email must be based on pushing messages and have a distributed nature. This means that deliverability issues are an inherent risk, in a way that pulling messages from a central/unified service can avoid.

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-03 Thread Atro Tossavainen via mailop
> Email - as we know it - should have been dead years ago. But instead we > keep adding band-aid after band-aid after band-aid to the system. It's not that people haven't tried. And not all of them have been wholly unequipped to do so, either. You are of course aware of Professor Dan J.

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-03 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 3.02.2022 o godz. 11:59:42 Andrew C Aitchison via mailop pisze: > > Having said that, my understanding is that deliverability is also an > issue in Facebook. If some of my posts are not shown to some of my friends, > without them telling Facebook that they did not want to see those

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-03 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via mailop
On Wed, 2 Feb 2022, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: A lot of the issues stem from the way IT managers, and maybe technology managers in general bathe in arrogance. "There's no such thing as a good idea, unless it is *my* idea." It's easier to get blood out of a stone than for someone in IT to

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-03 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 21:31:04 Scott Mutter via mailop pisze: > Instant > messaging and SMS can't as easily be spoofed, they may be fake but senders > have to register on the platform in some way Here in Poland we are now right in the middle of a real-life "experiment" that will probably show

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-02 Thread Dave Crocker via mailop
On 2/2/2022 7:31 PM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote: Why is it impossible to take a look at what Instant Messaging protocols, SMTP, SMS do that make them successful and then blend those together into a new "email-like" system? Because replacing widespread systems is vastly harder than one

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-02 Thread Scott Mutter via mailop
A lot of the issues stem from the way IT managers, and maybe technology managers in general bathe in arrogance. "There's no such thing as a good idea, unless it is *my* idea." It's easier to get blood out of a stone than for someone in IT to admit that someone else's approach to something has

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-02 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 18:26:38 yuv via mailop pisze: > > Either it will go the other way, or folks will move away from email all > together. I am moving away. I miss the ability to store away in > Maildir format my correspondence and to look back in the archives to > Eudora times and earlier,

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-02 Thread yuv via mailop
On Wed, 2022-02-02 at 11:20 +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 10:47:33 Carsten Schiefner via mailop pisze: > > I start to earnestly wonder when folks [...] > > will attempt to regain knowledge to run their own and small-scale > > mail systems again > > I think it

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-02 Thread Carsten Schiefner via mailop
On 02.02.2022 11:20, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 10:47:33 Carsten Schiefner via mailop pisze: Having now also read Michael's call for O365 assistance, I start to earnestly wonder when folks are tired enough of having put their email fate into the hands of a few

Re: [mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-02 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 10:47:33 Carsten Schiefner via mailop pisze: > Having now also read Michael's call for O365 assistance, I start to > earnestly wonder when folks are tired enough of having put their > email fate into the hands of a few mega-large Mail Service Operators > with kafkaesque and

[mailop] Musings on Mail Service Operators

2022-02-02 Thread Carsten Schiefner via mailop
Having now also read Michael's call for O365 assistance, I start to earnestly wonder when folks are tired enough of having put their email fate into the hands of a few mega-large Mail Service Operators with kafkaesque and fully intransparent processes and instead will attempt to regain