Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Matt Vernhout]

On the day in question we saw a major spike in trap activity with ~6100
traps hit on our signal network... the vast majority are from
email.thegoodguys.com.au (98%).

Over the last 90 days we've seen ~15,000

~ Matt V


On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 6:00 PM John Levine  wrote:

> If you got spam from an Australian electronics chain called The Good
> Guys in the past week or so, I'd appreciate a copy of it.
>
> I complained to their ISP Cheetahmail, who said the client bought a
> list and they told the client that was naughty and not to do it again.
> But in Australia it's not just naughty, it's quite illegal and I'd
> like to provide more spamples to acquaintances at ACMA, the regulator,
> so they can take appropriate action.
>
> R's,
> John
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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Noel Butler]

On 01/01/2019 08:32, Rob McEwen wrote:

> (2) Don't personally attack others , and especially don't attack based on 
> innuendo and hearsay - instead, stay focused on the issues

Ahh so the email forwards I got a week or so ago showing me levines post
threatening to mail bomb us because we blocked his direct mail were all
fake eh. talk about fucking childish, I dont care who the tosser is, and
I've seen enough of his posts over time to say any blocking is justified
regardless of what his fan club here thinks. 

Thanks to xx...@gmail.com  this morning I was forwarded a copy of
the original and I doubt very much that company bought lists, they
wouldnt need to,  they are on every radio and tv station here (Inc
cable) advertising  many many times every day, they do however not seem
to have confirmation on the signup for specials, and no doubt someone
has abused it, a rather quick fix I'll let them know now before I take
my week off

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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Noel Butler]

lol I got all the hugs I need in the room next door Al, looks like your
not taking your medication again. 

On 01/01/2019 01:34, Al Iverson wrote:

> Thanks for taking the time to respond. You should probably filter me out as 
> well. 
> 
> BTW, taking the time to post and tell us all about how you are blocking 
> Levine appears to be a ploy for attention. Do you need a hug? 
> 
> In the same amount of time you spent on that effort you could have looked up 
> the message about this company in the list archive. The way you did it was 
> like jumping up and down with your fingers in your ears screaming "I'm 
> ignoring you!" at John. It's churlish, and trust me, John doesn't care, nor 
> does anyone else here care. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Al Iverson 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:18 AM Noel Butler  wrote: 
> 
> Not from where I'm sitting, nor from others, going by some offlist messages 
> I've had about him. 
> 
> On 01/01/2019 00:04, Al Iverson wrote: 
> If you're blocking Levine, you're doing it wrong. 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:06 AM Noel Butler  wrote: 
> 
> On 31/12/2018 14:33, Bill Cole wrote: 
> On 30 Dec 2018, at 20:18, Noel Butler wrote:
> 
> I dont see levines posts, they hit a
> blacklist and a troll URIlist and get discarded so missed whatever its
> about 
> 
> Why ask us to help with something you can fix yourself or find in the list 
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There is nothing broken to fix, I made the comment in passing whats
wrong with them since I have no idea what the problem is, i'm also not
that interested in it that I'll go archive searching to find out, if I
see it in a post fine, if I don't, no sleep will be lost here :) 

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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Rob McEwen]

On 12/31/2018 10:14 AM, Noel Butler wrote:
Not from where I'm sitting, nor from others, going by some offlist 
messages I've had about him.



I certainly avoid arguing with John Levine - at least not until I've 
done a lot of research - because in those (very rare) times when I don't 
agree with him (at least initially), I'm pretty sure I'd lose the 
argument 99% of the time, based on fact and logic - because he really 
knows his stuff. Sure, he can be a little harsh when dealing with idiots 
who think they know more than they know - but certainly not any more 
harsh than you've been towards him, especially with your "offlist 
messages I've had about him" comment - that was such a slimy 
mean-spirited cheap shot. I just absolutely abhor the "we're talking 
behind your back and we've said a lot of bad things about you" type of 
personal attacks.


(I'm not a list moderator...but)
SUGGESTIONS:
(1) Keep your arguments focused on important issues, especially ones 
that are helpful to others
(2) Don't personally attack others , and especially don't attack based 
on innuendo and hearsay - instead, stay focused on the issues
(3) avoid complaining about what you /think/ is noise, by adding /more/ 
noise - especially if /your/ definition of noise might not be that universal


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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Al Iverson]

Thanks for taking the time to respond. You should probably filter me out as
well.

BTW, taking the time to post and tell us all about how you are blocking
Levine appears to be a ploy for attention. Do you need a hug?

In the same amount of time you spent on that effort you could have looked
up the message about this company in the list archive. The way you did it
was like jumping up and down with your fingers in your ears screaming "I'm
ignoring you!" at John. It's churlish, and trust me, John doesn't care, nor
does anyone else here care.

Regards,
Al Iverson

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:18 AM Noel Butler  wrote:

> Not from where I'm sitting, nor from others, going by some offlist
> messages I've had about him.
>
>
>
> On 01/01/2019 00:04, Al Iverson wrote:
>
> If you're blocking Levine, you're doing it wrong.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:06 AM Noel Butler 
> wrote:
>
>> On 31/12/2018 14:33, Bill Cole wrote:
>>
>> On 30 Dec 2018, at 20:18, Noel Butler wrote:
>>
>>  I dont see levines posts, they hit a
>> blacklist and a troll URIlist and get discarded so missed whatever its
>> about
>>
>>
>>
>> Why ask us to help with something you can fix yourself or find in the
>> list archives?
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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Noel Butler]

Not from where I'm sitting, nor from others, going by some offlist
messages I've had about him. 

On 01/01/2019 00:04, Al Iverson wrote:

> If you're blocking Levine, you're doing it wrong. 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:06 AM Noel Butler  wrote: 
> 
> On 31/12/2018 14:33, Bill Cole wrote: 
> On 30 Dec 2018, at 20:18, Noel Butler wrote:
> 
> I dont see levines posts, they hit a
> blacklist and a troll URIlist and get discarded so missed whatever its
> about 
> 
> Why ask us to help with something you can fix yourself or find in the list 
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There is nothing broken to fix, I made the comment in passing whats
wrong with them since I have no idea what the problem is, i'm also not
that interested in it that I'll go archive searching to find out, if I
see it in a post fine, if I don't, no sleep will be lost here :) 

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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Al Iverson]

If you're blocking Levine, you're doing it wrong.


On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:06 AM Noel Butler  wrote:

> On 31/12/2018 14:33, Bill Cole wrote:
>
> On 30 Dec 2018, at 20:18, Noel Butler wrote:
>
>  I dont see levines posts, they hit a
> blacklist and a troll URIlist and get discarded so missed whatever its
> about
>
>
>
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> interested in it that I'll go archive searching to find out, if I see it in
> a post fine, if I don't, no sleep will be lost here :)
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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Noel Butler]

On 31/12/2018 14:33, Bill Cole wrote:

> On 30 Dec 2018, at 20:18, Noel Butler wrote:
> 
>> I dont see levines posts, they hit a
>> blacklist and a troll URIlist and get discarded so missed whatever its
>> about
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There is nothing broken to fix, I made the comment in passing whats
wrong with them since I have no idea what the problem is, i'm also not
that interested in it that I'll go archive searching to find out, if I
see it in a post fine, if I don't, no sleep will be lost here :) 

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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Bill Cole]

On 30 Dec 2018, at 20:18, Noel Butler wrote:


 I dont see levines posts, they hit a
blacklist and a troll URIlist and get discarded so missed whatever its
about



Why ask us to help with something you can fix yourself or find in the 
list archives?


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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[John Levine]

In article <021bbb1b4f0cd316501046520969f...@ausics.net> you write:
>Whats the problem with goodguys?  I dont see levines posts, they hit a
>blacklist and a troll URIlist and get discarded so missed whatever its
>about 

I don't see that as our problem.  Let him wonder.

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Speaking of trolls ...


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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Noel Butler]

On 31/12/2018 05:04, Carl Byington wrote:

> On Fri, 2018-12-28 at 19:31 -0500, John Levine wrote: 
> 
>> For people who would like more search keys, the spam all came from
>> 38.107.108.240, envelope return address i...@email.thegoodguys.com.au.
> 
> One delivery attempt here to a non-existent address,
> Dec 25 16:25:37 ... 553 5.3.0 ... No such user here

Whats the problem with goodguys?  I dont see levines posts, they hit a
blacklist and a troll URIlist and get discarded so missed whatever its
about 

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> For people who would like more search keys, the spam all came from
> 38.107.108.240, envelope return address i...@email.thegoodguys.com.au.

One delivery attempt here to a non-existent address,
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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[Denise Soares]

We *know *what they were thinking.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 10:44 PM John Levine  wrote:

> In article <20181228225307.65727200c09...@ary.qy> you write:
> >If you got spam from an Australian electronics chain called The Good
> >Guys in the past week or so, I'd appreciate a copy of it.
>
> For people who would like more search keys, the spam all came from
> 38.107.108.240, envelope return address i...@email.thegoodguys.com.au.
>
> They weren't trying to hide.  Who knows what they were thinking.
>
> R's,
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Re: [mailop] The (not so) Good Guys

[John Levine]

In article <20181228225307.65727200c09...@ary.qy> you write:
>If you got spam from an Australian electronics chain called The Good
>Guys in the past week or so, I'd appreciate a copy of it.

For people who would like more search keys, the spam all came from
38.107.108.240, envelope return address i...@email.thegoodguys.com.au.

They weren't trying to hide.  Who knows what they were thinking.

R's,
John

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