Re: VIRGIL: heroism in Aeneid

1998-11-06 Thread James Butrica
That is a rather hard question to answer there are many ways to answer that question. I am doing a similiar essay that has to do with how Dido portrays characters in the the Odyessey. I tryed to link them together by using Kalypso and Penelope. She expresses her feelings as Penelope did

Re: VIRGIL: Aeneas and women

1998-11-06 Thread James Butrica
Also Aeneas trys to put it gently to Dido why he is leaving , Odysseus does the same as well to Kalyso and Kalypso pleads for him to stay just as Dido does to Aneas. Ahem, um, no. Aeneas tries to leave without telling Dido! And when she forces him into confrontation, he can hardly bear to look

Re: VIRGIL: Women in Virgil

1998-11-06 Thread Yvan Nadeau
Also Apollonius Rhodius' Medea for his portrait of Dido. yn I am rather curious of his alluding to the homeric poems with his characterization of women. He seems to use Kalypso and Penelope a lot in his poems. If anyone has any thoughts on this let me know jennifer Yvan Nadeau

Re: VIRGIL: heroism in Aeneid

1998-11-06 Thread Yvan Nadeau
Dear Judy, this is probably totally daft and will earn you a bad mark from your teachers, who are, one may assume, very traditional and stick-in-the- mud in their attitudes (stick-in-the-mud is a virtue, by the way), but I would have thought a good place to start would be the description of

VIRGIL: Re:Vetruvius???

1998-11-06 Thread Tom Siegel
Does anyone know the original Latin for the phrase, Commodity, Order, Delight or something like that? I believe it's a quote from Vetruvius, whoever that is (I couldn't find him in any Roman history books). Any information on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Tom Siegel From:

VIRGIL: Re: Women in the Aeneid

1998-11-06 Thread M W Hughes
It might be helpful, before turning to the Aeneid, to consider the earlier poems. Eclogue VIII (following Theocritus Id. 2) where women are attributed some kind of magical power, is an important starting point. It is perhaps significant that the witch draws her lover Daphnis 'ab urbe', from the

Re: VIRGIL: Heroes in Odyssey/Vergil

1998-11-06 Thread Susanne Hafner
Judy, I hate being the bitch of the discussion list, but the point of an essay assignment is to teach the student to go to the library and find the relevant literature herself. Similar requests have been appearing on other discussion lists as well, most of which have adopted the policy of

Re: VIRGIL: heroism in Aeneid

1998-11-06 Thread outis
I hate being a bitch either, but there are many people around here that live in countries where it is not possible to do proper reasearch unless they travel many-many miles! For those that work on Dido: maybe I am carrying coals to Newcastle but do you know of Paola Bono-M. Vittoria Tessitore, Il

Re: VIRGIL: heroism in Aeneid

1998-11-06 Thread John Geyssen
Dido is also a Circe-figure. Structurally, Aeneas' shipwreck and eventual arrival at Dido's city are parallel to Odysseus' shipwreck and eventual arrival at Circe's palace, the help that Venus gives to protect him is parallel to Hermes and the moly, and, like Circe, Dido is a figure capable

Re: VIRGIL: heroism in Aeneid

1998-11-06 Thread RANDI C ELDEVIK
A 1998 study from a European press is certainly not coals to Newcastle for Americans. Even for specialists, it takes time for the word to get out and for copies of such books to reach our shores. I would be interested in hearing more about the contents of this book before I make a special effort

VIRGIL: Re: Women in the Aeneid

1998-11-06 Thread Bradford Miller
of course no discussion about the treatment of women in the Aeneid would be complete without perhaps the most un-P.C. line of the epic: (which, coincidentally, is a line within a section taken out by the College Board on the AP reading list this year) (Mercury to Aeneas) varium et mutabile

Re: VIRGIL: Re: Women in the Aeneid

1998-11-06 Thread M W Hughes
There is surely some irony here: the apparition (is it really Mercury?) makes the famous remark about the untrustworthiness of women in order to persuade Aeneas to disregard the trust which a woman had placed in him. The passage may be more PC than it looks! I'd like to echo David's disagreement

VIRGIL: class resources on teaching the Aeneid

1998-11-06 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:30:33 EST I am about to teach a college level course on the Aeneid books 1-6 and I was wondering if you have any suggestions about how to do this in an interesting manner. I do not want to bore them with lecture, but I would like to incorporate