VIRGIL: Aeneid Jokes

1999-03-08 Thread Leofranc Holford-Strevens
Many thanks to Neven for Nicholas Modrussiensiensis; but if I may expand on my own dissertation, where I had occasion to comment on 'facetiis' at Gellius 2. 23. 3 'ita Graecarum, quas aemulari nequiuerunt, facetiis atque luminibus obsolescunt' [i.e. Roman comedies are not a patch on the Greek

Re: VIRGIL: VERGIL: ekphrasis in Book VI

1999-03-08 Thread Leofranc Holford-Strevens
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Clare Studwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I brought up this question about a week ago about the ekphrasis in Book VI (lines 20-36) of Vergil's Aeneid. Unfortunately I received NO responses. If you have any opinion on the role of this ekphrasis on the temple doors

RE: VIRGIL: Aeneid Jokes

1999-03-08 Thread Adrian Pay
This was a joke that had already been made in Aristophanes' Frogs with reference to Heracles crossing the Styx on Charon's boat. More humour in Vergil invitus, regina, tuo de litore cessi (Bk 6) reference to Catullus' Lock of Berenice invitus, regina, tuo de cervice cessi, a singularly

Re: VIRGIL: VERGIL: ekphrasis in Book VI

1999-03-08 Thread M W Hughes
The two similarities (Daedalus-Aeneas/Daedalus-Virgil) are linked by the lines 'ipse ratem nocturnis rexit in undis' (of Aeneas, V 868) and 'ipse dolos tecti ambagesque resolvit, caeca regens filo vestigia' (of Daedalus, VI, 29). The hero and the artist/poet 'take personal charge' in situations

RE: VIRGIL: VERGIL: ekphrasis in Book VI

1999-03-08 Thread Adrian Pay
I've also been struck by this passage but never been able to come to a suitable explanation. Looking at the passage again, the language reminds me of Georgics IV labor...et inextricabilis error (quite a curious phrasing) magnum reginae sed enim miseratus amorem; Daedalus in the labyrinth is a

RE: VIRGIL: Aeneid Jokes

1999-03-08 Thread Simon Cauchi
More humour in Vergil invitus, regina, tuo de litore cessi (Bk 6) reference to Catullus' Lock of Berenice invitus, regina, tuo de cervice cessi, a singularly incongruous intertextualism at a singularly inapposite moment. I have always thought invitus, regina to be as bad as W. S. Gilbert's a

RE: VIRGIL: VERGIL: ekphrasis in Book VI

1999-03-08 Thread Arne Jönsson
And while we're at it, does anyone have any views on the 64 million dollar question i.e. the golden bough and the ivory gates? I remember being quite taken with West's article where the golden bough reflected the aureos ramos of Plato's poetry in Meleager's garland. In that context, it's notable