VIRGIL: furor

1998-12-11 Thread Dan Knauss
I have a partly lexical, partly historical question for the group that I've been curious about for years. Virgil uses the term furor at 3 key points: at the end of the Aeneid, the last Eclogue, and in the Georgics. In the Aeneid, it is used to describe Aeneas as he is seized by wrath and fury when

Re: VIRGIL: The Fourth Eclogue and Raymond Brown

1998-12-11 Thread parcob
Dear Mr. Wiersum, I do not know to what extent your curiosity has been piqued by this material, but you may want to look at : Courcelle, Pierre, 'Les Exégèses Chrétiennes de la Quatrième Églogue,' Revue desÉtudes Anciennes 59 (1957), 294-319. The following is a brief discussion

Re: VIRGIL: epic and epyllion

1998-12-11 Thread Dr D P Nelis
Adrian, You seem to specialize in difficult questions! I know nothing about this stuff, but here goes. Cameron, it seems to me, succeeds quite brilliantly in proving that the many long historical epics we (or at least I, à la Ziegler) thought were being churned out in the 4th and 3rd centuries

VIRGIL: The Fourth Eclogue and Raymond Brown

1998-12-11 Thread JAMES C Wiersum
Dear Helen, Thank you so much for a response with your work in progress. It is interesting how following the vicissitudes of the Fourth Eclogue gets one into the heart of church history and the history of Christian doctrine. It is an education in itself. James C. Wiersum

Re: VIRGIL: furor

1998-12-11 Thread Leofranc Holford-Strevens
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Knauss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Is it likely that there was a common Greek and Roman sentiment toward the barbarian tribes that classed them as what a civilized person might become if overcome by extreme passions like love and hate? Certainly: Greeks (and Romans

Re: VIRGIL: beyond the limits of nature?

1998-12-11 Thread Leofranc Holford-Strevens
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Wilson-Okamura [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes From: Ramon Sevilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:31:17 -0600 Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit . Aeneid I, 203. I marvel how Virgil in Aeneid I, 195 ss. recalls the hardships he and his comrades have

Re: VIRGIL: furor

1998-12-11 Thread RANDI C ELDEVIK
It is generally agreed that Tacitus idealized the Germanic barbarians to some extent, in order to make the point that his fellow Romans couldn't afford to fall into slackness and decadence. Whenever a writer belonging to an imperialistic people praises certain virtues that the conquered have and

Re: VIRGIL: furor

1998-12-11 Thread a giant splendid red christmas spanish paella
get a fucking life On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Leofranc Holford-Strevens wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Knauss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Is it likely that there was a common Greek and Roman sentiment toward the barbarian tribes that classed them as what a civilized person might become