Re: [MapHist] The Hist of the Name "MapHist"

[John Day]

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"immoral"?  You put this on the same plane as . . 
.  well, we don't need to go there?  I think that 
is a little extreme.


I think this is more democracy in action.



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On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Peter van der Krogt wrote:
Dear Jay, ... I don't think it is wise two have 
more than one Maphist forum, it is at least 
confusing for the user.

So please close your google group or at least rename it.
The MapHist forum at
>  http://www.maphist.nl/forum
is the successor of the listserv.

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I agree with Peter's comment that others should 
not use the name "MapHist," the short form of 
"Map History Discussion List."


It may be legal to do so, but, in my opinion, immoral.

See my text below concerning how the name came into being.

Thanks.

 Ed


Ed Dahl, 720, chemin Fogarty, Val-des-Monts (Québec) J8N 7S9, CANADA
 TEL: (819) 671-9721   FAX: (819) 671-9722
ed.d...@sympatico.ca

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The Hist of MapHist: A Chronicle of the Origins 
of the Map History Discussion List, 1993-94

by Ed Dahl

	> 
http://www.maphist.nl/thewhole.html


... A few days later, David [Cobb] informed a 
few of us that his proposal that Harvard host an 
"Oldmaps Listserv" seemed to have been 
approved The draft of the "description" 
which followed began: "OLDMAPS-L is a listserv 
devoted to those interested in the study, 
collection, curating, and preservation of older 
maps" (Cobb to Dahl, Seavey, Martin, and 
Campbell, 24 September 1993)


I forwarded this to David Woodward, Barbara 
Belyea, and Matthew Edney and received comments 
from all of them. Belyea wrote: "The description 
confuses period and form of maps, implies a 
vaguely historical approach, but excludes 20c 
maps for no good reason. I suggest instead a 
MAPHIST-L, which would make the approach clear, 
include all periods and forms, and go some way 
to cancel out the alienation of GIS from the big 
map picture. Although the proposed list is 
supposed to be an open one, it seems to 
emphasize the curatorial over the investigative. 
No doubt because curators have taken the 
initiative which the 'investigators' have not. 
But the description needs to be worded so that 
the various camps are not simply identified but 
brought together in a common interest. That is, 
stress the general concerns instead of the 
institutional divisions." (Belyea to Dahl, 27 
September 1993)


... Matthew Edney, on "the proposed OLDMAPS-L // 
MAPHIST-L" (he preferred "MAPHIST-L") said: "I 
find myself in agreement with Barbara [Belyea] 
re. David [Cobb's] original proposal. But I 
would add/develop a couple of points." He 
whole-heartedly agreed that the list should be 
called MAPHIST-L and discussed a number of 
points at some length (Edney to Dahl, 9 
October 1993)


Many of these comments were circulated and 
commented upon. David Cobb had developed an 
attachment to the name he had first suggested, 
but "MapHist" was heavily favoured. "Well, I 
liked 'OldMaps' but it seems to be 
overwhelmingly too antiquarian! OK,OK, I can be 
changed -- maybe!" (Cobb to Dahl, 12 October 
1993)


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[MapHist] The Hist of the Name "MapHist"

[Ed Dahl]

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On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Peter van der Krogt wrote:
Dear Jay, ... I don't think it is wise two have more than one Maphist  
forum, it is at least confusing for the user.

So please close your google group or at least rename it.
The MapHist forum at
>  http://www.maphist.nl/forum
is the successor of the listserv.

*

I agree with Peter's comment that others should not use the name  
"MapHist," the short form of "Map History Discussion List."


It may be legal to do so, but, in my opinion, immoral.

See my text below concerning how the name came into being.

Thanks.

 Ed

Ed Dahl, 720, chemin Fogarty, Val-des-Monts (Québec) J8N 7S9, CANADA
 TEL: (819) 671-9721   FAX: (819) 671-9722
ed.d...@sympatico.ca

**

The Hist of MapHist: A Chronicle of the Origins of the Map History  
Discussion List, 1993-94

by Ed Dahl

>  http://www.maphist.nl/thewhole.html

... A few days later, David [Cobb] informed a few of us that his  
proposal that Harvard host an "Oldmaps Listserv" seemed to have been  
approved The draft of the "description" which followed began:  
"OLDMAPS-L is a listserv devoted to those interested in the study,  
collection, curating, and preservation of older maps" (Cobb to  
Dahl, Seavey, Martin, and Campbell, 24 September 1993)
I forwarded this to David Woodward, Barbara Belyea, and Matthew Edney  
and received comments from all of them. Belyea wrote: "The description  
confuses period and form of maps, implies a vaguely historical  
approach, but excludes 20c maps for no good reason. I suggest instead  
a MAPHIST-L, which would make the approach clear, include all periods  
and forms, and go some way to cancel out the alienation of GIS from  
the big map picture. Although the proposed list is supposed to be an  
open one, it seems to emphasize the curatorial over the investigative.  
No doubt because curators have taken the initiative which the  
'investigators' have not. But the description needs to be worded so  
that the various camps are not simply identified but brought together  
in a common interest. That is, stress the general concerns instead of  
the institutional divisions." (Belyea to Dahl, 27 September 1993)


... Matthew Edney, on "the proposed OLDMAPS-L // MAPHIST-L" (he  
preferred "MAPHIST-L") said: "I find myself in agreement with Barbara  
[Belyea] re. David [Cobb's] original proposal. But I would add/develop  
a couple of points." He whole-heartedly agreed that the list should be  
called MAPHIST-L and discussed a number of points at some length  
(Edney to Dahl, 9 October 1993)


Many of these comments were circulated and commented upon. David Cobb  
had developed an attachment to the name he had first suggested, but  
"MapHist" was heavily favoured. "Well, I liked 'OldMaps' but it seems  
to be overwhelmingly too antiquarian! OK,OK, I can be changed --  
maybe!" (Cobb to Dahl, 12 October 1993)


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