Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-11-11 Thread Telesto
As there is a project for new front page (at least I perceived that way), I personally would op for two different doors (in the long term) A page directed to non-commercial entity's | A page directed to commercial entity's (and non-profits). More or less Cor his message Or even more split out

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-24 Thread Telesto
@Cor: Good proposal; I think There are few catches though: Not sure how far TDF is willing to go. Business/Organizations are not prohibited using use LibreOffice 'rolling'. While a distinction between Home/Private & Business/Organizations might suggesting otherwise. Visa versa is rolling

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-24 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Telesto, Thanks for engaging and sparking discussion here. There is much that is interesting but this: On 24/10/2020 09:49, Telesto wrote: > And I assume there are some difference between CIB <-> Collabora (except > the name), but I'm surely not knowing what that should be. I mean it,

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-24 Thread Telesto
[Editted version of the one I posted on the Board mailing list by accident; thanks for reminders :-] Official Edition is really confusing. Which suggests there is also a Unofficial edition. A copycat fork? Or are those LTS releases powered by clones, trying to make a profit from TDF

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-24 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, Telesto wrote on 24/10/2020 10:49: > ... > And to make 'LTS' bit more attractive.. drop the whole stable/still > edition at TDF. > People using LibreOffice should be on 'rolling'. If they dislike that > they can dig in they archive reprository to find some older version. > Also, users don't

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-23 Thread Simon Phipps
It certainly (correctly) indicates there are unofficial editions in circulation. I see that as a helpful differentiator. I would not jump to the conclusion they are untrustworthy; however, the use of a validated "Libreoffice technology" signifier as Italo has proposed would fix that if it were a

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-23 Thread Nigel Verity
Doesn't this imply there are some unofficial and, thereby, untrustworthy editions in circulation? Nige > On 23 Oct 2020, at 06:44, Simon Phipps wrote: > > Taking on board all the concerns about not giving the impression of a > weaker version, and if "no label" is really not an option, how

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-23 Thread Simon Phipps
Taking on board all the concerns about not giving the impression of a weaker version, and if "no label" is really not an option, how about calling TDF's package "official edition"? S. On Fri, 23 Oct 2020, 14:31 Marc Paré, wrote: > Perhaps Italo could chime in and inform us if having "no label

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-23 Thread Marc Paré
Perhaps Italo could chime in and inform us if having "no label is not an option". We have to be consistent in a marketing plan, whether short or long-term. But, for me, the preference would be to continue with no label if this is an option, however, if a label is needed, "Community Edition" is

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-23 Thread Justin Luth
+1 to what Uwe and Michael and Telesto have been saying. Personal / Community are not accurate labels because they imply missing features. LibreOffice as we currently know it is full featured. By introducing these labels, you are signaling an intent to "dumb down" LibreOffice. The current

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-21 Thread Uwe Altmann
Hi Am 20.10.20 um 10:50 schrieb Michael Weghorn: > If "no label is not an option" (as stated by Italo), I'd currently > prefer something like "TDF Edition" over "Personal Edition" or > "Community Edition" as well, given the negative/misleading connotations > the latter may result in. "no label

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-21 Thread Uwe Altmann
Hi Am 20.10.20 um 10:50 schrieb Michael Weghorn: > If "no label is not an option" (as stated by Italo), I'd currently > prefer something like "TDF Edition" over "Personal Edition" or > "Community Edition" as well, given the negative/misleading connotations > the latter may result in. "no label

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-20 Thread kainz.a
LibreOffice Community Project LibreOffice Enterprise by CIB LibreOffice Enterprise by Collabora LibreOffice Enterprise by ... Personal Edition has the feeling of, not allowed somewhere (in the office) Community vs Enterprise Edition has the feeling of, Enterprise is better Community Project gives

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-20 Thread Michael Weghorn
On 12/10/2020 23:30, Telesto wrote: > Some attempts: > LibreOffice shipped by TDF. > LibreOffice TDF release. > LibreOffice distributed/compiled by TDF. > LibreOffice made possible by TDF. > If "no label is not an option" (as stated by Italo), I'd currently prefer something

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-14 Thread Telesto
Op 14-10-2020 om 15:52 schreef Marc Paré: Hi Telesto, Thanks for the large reply, of which, from what I gather is that you are saying that the definition of "Community" can be viewed from many perspectives. True. And one of those is Commercial Company's sharing a limited version under the

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Telesto, Thanks for the large reply, of which, from what I gather is that you are saying that the definition of "Community" can be viewed from many perspectives. My comment to this is, this is where the TDF/LibreOffice needs to message in a clearer way on the website as to its definition of

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-14 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2020-10-13 à 14 h 48, Nigel Verity a écrit : > Hi Mike > > Although I cannot think of a suitable alternative I have slight reservations > about the use of the term "community". It may be just a British thing but in > the UK the term is slightly nuanced to mean "good but not the very best",

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Telesto, Let me confess that I only read a part of the discussions - I'm simply not able to keep up with all. But I am interested in opinions and reasons for ideas. So I have a question: Telesto wrote on 13/10/2020 18:26: > (skipping may lines with IMO logic ideas/POVs - thanks for

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-13 Thread Telesto
So, for me, "Community Edition" is fine. We would also need to decide on the commercial label at the same time, of which, I prefer "Powered by ...". Related to the 'Community Edition' I point to page 54 of https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/qPMWRFsxwQ6QFpK#pdfviewer Which is summery of

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-13 Thread Nigel Verity
13 October 2020 16:56 To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter The commercial label is Enterprise, while "powered by..." can be part of the product name. We should remember that we are discussing a label and not a product name, which

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-13 Thread Italo Vignoli
The commercial label is Enterprise, while "powered by..." can be part of the product name. We should remember that we are discussing a label and not a product name, which does not change and is LibreOffice. The label is an attribute, with the objective of adding information to the product name.

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-13 Thread Marc Paré
I suggest we try to keep it as honest as possible. The membership should speak out on this item re: "edition". IMO, "Community Edition" is fine, and agree that this could be modified at a future date when the membership would review the edition labels; perhaps reviewed every 4-5 years or

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-13 Thread Telesto
Hey Telesto, On 12/10/2020 23:30, Telesto wrote: Some attempts: LibreOffice shipped by TDF. LibreOffice TDF release. LibreOffice distributed/compiled by TDF. LibreOffice made possible by TDF. The logo already has "The Document Foundation" underneath, so I don't think this really adds anything.

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Edition Matter

2020-10-13 Thread Mike Saunders
Hey Telesto, On 12/10/2020 23:30, Telesto wrote: > > Some attempts: > LibreOffice shipped by TDF. > LibreOffice TDF release. > LibreOffice distributed/compiled by TDF. > LibreOffice made possible by TDF. The logo already has "The Document Foundation" underneath, so I don't think this really