Re: [libreoffice-marketing] DVD Label Creation Software
Thanks Ben! I'll check it out. Anthony On 01/30/2011 02:24 PM, Benjamin Horst wrote: Anthony, I don't know about the specialized software, but I have definitely seen DVD label templates in ODF format from a few years back. They are probably available in the templates repository for OOo, likely included in one of the larger template packages offered there. -Ben On Jan 30, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm wanting to create some specialized DVD labels for local distribution of LibreOffice. They will contain my companies contact information in case the user needs support. Does anyone know of good DVD label making software for Linux or should I just stick to something like LibreOffice Drawing? Thanks! Anthon -- Anthony Papillion Software Development and PC Repair/Consulting Advanced Data Concepts Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day 2011 Local Flyer
Hi Everyone, So I'm going to be plastering flyers all over town in support of Document Freedom Day 2011. I wanted a simple, quick, localized flyer and this is what I came up with. I'm also going to be using the one provided on the DFD website. Thoughts? Critiques? A -- Anthony Papillion Software Development and PC Repair/Consulting Advanced Data Concepts Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Lets go public - CeBIT 2011
I just wanted to send a huge WhooHoo to everyone who's done such hard work to bring LibO to market and CeBIT is going to be another huge step in the right direction. Due to illness, I've not bee n able to participate as I would have liked (that will change soon - getting better every day), but the team has been amazing. One thing I'm concerned about though is the green thing. As Thomas said in his email below, there's nothing technically spectacular that sets LibO apart from OOo yet and I believe that could be a problem. Don't get me wrong, I think the separation itself is a technical achievement as it will allow some amazing opportunities in the future, but right now, admittedly, nothing is spectacular. I'm a bit concerned about pushing the it's green aspect. I mean, so what? I don't think people care what their office suite looks like aside from being usably well designed and how that impacts UI design. Saying it's green doesn't impact the user experience, doesn't affect their work flow, doesn't make using thing easier. It's a ho-hum we're kinda reaching kind of statement. Now I know some of you are thinking Look what Microsoft did with the damn ribbon and that's true. the ribbon *isnt* a technical achievement but rather an asthetic one. But Microsoft's own UI studies show that the organization of the ribbon makes workflow a bit easier in addition to some aesthetic niceness. So really they aren't just saying it looks good but focusing on how it can help you work better. Shouldn't usability be the focus of LibO marketing; how it makes the user life easier and faster? I fear that focusing on the colour aspect really is the wrong thing to focus on. If there are no technical achievements, what about focusing on the freedom and what's to come because of that freedom? Please don't take this as criticizing. I'm just airing my $0.02. Thanks, Anthony Papillion United States On 1/16/11, Thomas Krumbein thomas.krumb...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hey, In March (01. to 05.) the CeBIT show will be in Hannover, Germany. CeBIT is the digital industry's biggest, most international event - see www.cebit.de We will have a booth there and we (the german community) will exhibit LibreOffice on three demo-points, so we will have all platforms (Linux, Windows, Mac OS). The booth is paid by OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. If someone wants to share - or just visit us - please contact me or someone else from the german community. I believe, this is a very good point to go public with LibO. We will have some marketing-material, which is prepared now, and wie will have a DVD. So, we just need a final version ;-) I hope, it will be finished latest first week of Feb - otherwise it is too late for producing DVDs. We will produce German marketing material, but it may be a good idea to have even some english infos. So feel free to spend ideas. I will publish links to German material here as soon as we will have first layouts. At this point I think about some slogans for getting startet. I will share my ideas: What is really new? Well, we have some nice improvements, but are the really spectacular? I don`t think so. It is jsut another office-suite and when we start again with free, OfficeSuite, undependent, odf and all this technical stuff, who really wants to read this? So, I believe, we have to be emotional. Just for this start. Bring people to look at us, to try our software. Let`s go back: What is really new (in comparison to OOo)? I found one point: the color :-) From blue to green. So I created a very easy slogan for a small flyer: neu ... grün ... sympatisch - this is German, in translation it will sounds like: new ... green ... sympathetic In Germany the combination between green and sympathetic is not really new, but still positiv used. So - we will create a postcard flyer - in front just these three word on a green field, backsides some short information about LibreOffice and an invitation to visit our booth. That`s a first idea. What do you think? Best regards Thomas -- ## Marketing deutschsprachiges Projekt ## http://de.libreOffice.org - www.LibreOffice.org ## Vorstand OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. ## Mitglieder willkommen: www.OOoDeV.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Sent from my mobile device Anthony Papillion Lead Developer / Owner Advanced Data Concepts - Enabling work anywhere (918) 919-4624 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/cajuntechie My Blog: http://www.cajuntechie.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Lets go public - CeBIT 2011
Good point Tom, I guess I'm still in the wonder if corporate type in vast office buildings will accept it. They won't. But you're right: generating interest in the average consumer is important and it's green might be a good entry point. I'm still not totally sold on it's green but I can see your point :) Anthony On 1/16/11, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I think there are many positive things that can be said about LibreOffice. Many of those things are shared with MS Office and OpenOffice, some are only shared by OpenOffice and some are unique to LibreOffice but unlikely to be appreciated by mainstream and particularly by corporate types in their vast office buildings. Saying it's green does show that it's a bit different. It's a humorous statement that might lead to people asking what else is good about it? How else is it different? What else is good about it? Can i change the colour to something else? Also, unlike another suggestion that people often make in here it does not seem likely to create blockers/barriers for other markets. Regards from Tom :) From: Anthony Papillion papill...@gmail.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 16 January, 2011 15:48:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Lets go public - CeBIT 2011 I just wanted to send a huge WhooHoo to everyone who's done such hard work to bring LibO to market and CeBIT is going to be another huge step in the right direction. Due to illness, I've not bee n able to participate as I would have liked (that will change soon - getting better every day), but the team has been amazing. One thing I'm concerned about though is the green thing. As Thomas said in his email below, there's nothing technically spectacular that sets LibO apart from OOo yet and I believe that could be a problem. Don't get me wrong, I think the separation itself is a technical achievement as it will allow some amazing opportunities in the future, but right now, admittedly, nothing is spectacular. I'm a bit concerned about pushing the it's green aspect. I mean, so what? I don't think people care what their office suite looks like aside from being usably well designed and how that impacts UI design. Saying it's green doesn't impact the user experience, doesn't affect their work flow, doesn't make using thing easier. It's a ho-hum we're kinda reaching kind of statement. Now I know some of you are thinking Look what Microsoft did with the damn ribbon and that's true. the ribbon *isnt* a technical achievement but rather an asthetic one. But Microsoft's own UI studies show that the organization of the ribbon makes workflow a bit easier in addition to some aesthetic niceness. So really they aren't just saying it looks good but focusing on how it can help you work better. Shouldn't usability be the focus of LibO marketing; how it makes the user life easier and faster? I fear that focusing on the colour aspect really is the wrong thing to focus on. If there are no technical achievements, what about focusing on the freedom and what's to come because of that freedom? Please don't take this as criticizing. I'm just airing my $0.02. Thanks, Anthony Papillion United States On 1/16/11, Thomas Krumbein thomas.krumb...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hey, In March (01. to 05.) the CeBIT show will be in Hannover, Germany. CeBIT is the digital industry's biggest, most international event - see www.cebit.de We will have a booth there and we (the german community) will exhibit LibreOffice on three demo-points, so we will have all platforms (Linux, Windows, Mac OS). The booth is paid by OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. If someone wants to share - or just visit us - please contact me or someone else from the german community. I believe, this is a very good point to go public with LibO. We will have some marketing-material, which is prepared now, and wie will have a DVD. So, we just need a final version ;-) I hope, it will be finished latest first week of Feb - otherwise it is too late for producing DVDs. We will produce German marketing material, but it may be a good idea to have even some english infos. So feel free to spend ideas. I will publish links to German material here as soon as we will have first layouts. At this point I think about some slogans for getting startet. I will share my ideas: What is really new? Well, we have some nice improvements, but are the really spectacular? I don`t think so. It is jsut another office-suite and when we start again with free, OfficeSuite, undependent, odf and all this technical stuff, who really wants to read this? So, I believe, we have to be emotional. Just for this start. Bring people to look at us, to try our software. Let`s go back: What is really new (in comparison to OOo)? I found one point: the color :-) From blue to green. So I created a very easy slogan for a small flyer
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Ad Campaign: LibreOffice is...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/5/2010 2:03 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Maybe too much negatives in the script. Could maybe make it more from a positive view? Hi Marc, This was NOT a serious contribution. It was meant in humor. I would hope we DO NOT take this stance in an ad campaign. It was supposed to kind of parody the MS campaign against OOo. Anthony - -- Anthony Papillion Advanced Data Concepts Remote Technical Support and Software Development Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iQIVAwUBTNRWv4eUq9QAeLbkAQIanxAAm53deckqJ8a7fwr55Nzz6C0cMPk7Mq23 SRjXBZv+5eWEUG3gcbhWjarchF/hrO1zkABLq9E1xPdkVFBIKA0JO6OG5oHPGTSC 7eCK0/fC3LsamBHJlGHrOzyFU27Yv4fpboIOJjMFj6fcS0IVbviq96E4aCCAkkKk f5HRJHRdGU4k2jKoJ57L7Xxlk+V6vhwfN1H/AejnRM3dgV7olfdjixZIegGFi/7m +EOquxvpwZGXmsSmnPk7h8cikanC5iY3UoHKRH7gDi4mSc/ahB4/5SUMu8dBx/L8 vnGKIhyXOT1I2ZsyJRO6GnSvD7WvyN3na6yiLM/6lGKazMCrs7W5q4Ty/jtoxhEZ G9pSU4QS664vTJJfAQmzYN4Cib92wdZIoqY+BFQq7pU4Twwk6oRD28IIRIswIZog e0X9JAThi37JouF/jehfQnbpr8xscYYmqGs6z+AyQcDtFdXOi8PjYKbFFyXtarlf iJ3jvwO/aMpLQW2LbtjXU2mB62hECstTZEHKecgiSGXrbZhYfUBKgswFxsx2PwBh yjzr84gge7GteimefoyWtBT/vSgfnoDFveyk5OyfS0KrtiAQdBoQN+N/MYrc395u VqjAz2FNgSRsglhbgc58sN4FrJImFaaDYmbOG2yRSY8iA66X0+YZMDDDg2NjBZWC zNOufAkVX/g= =nJdO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Ad Campaign: LibreOffice is...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/5/2010 2:14 PM, Dave Johnson wrote: Any thoughts on my art? Dave: I didn't see any artwork attached. Are you sure you sent it along with your post? Anthony - -- Anthony Papillion Advanced Data Concepts Remote Technical Support and Software Development Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iQIVAwUBTNRZP4eUq9QAeLbkAQLRJBAAqPHXy4NXiNwPPYZNlc7sLZ+C3x2BbaM9 M5fdNrmgxtAHLZpvxzNDndESVYGxtmpujt1yrOsFZTp/fUmn7AdJhKgAJOtzD651 Anvxdvbyjd913ha111TBtKKpOKCjJRVgmwK276NZq+5+qGlt4x0n+X0J892pXuxh r1ZY07h57zymgaKgD58BRmYNCpr86lf9y1IOdaQkxHJe+L60DYVk4ujOebzNOg1m OMuMHZQ5Pn0GdHYRSekuPQjajIzuZF7v5KhFz7I8bmfNmycz1aSXa/LSR9L69kaQ ZYcNdtQ4+qLUx8hJTuWz9Vt03ytoPnWsyrIf9zl0i2w5Rgn6Id8fVnC+a0tmXq46 F3UNYCsT7rF5km/JGTVAvvk/BLVskqH3yBbcFCdy4qnxMZkDqFSbW75SncDPYRNM 7s02ib+mTnZ83He4dy6MCCP+3NsxvTNk8RimVPrr/BYFsdce+RrpPYftus1ut7PN zBzUcSvgRtFPIqnwrVSX83j1RJ1vXdcDhCD5JZE6sQuK6EvzsXqTxdLBYxPMzkUb g8DsdvloGSH4obeKWC03QpDNJHX+v1qBaR6HHedvPzCT25LuqzHvMeOyGMwDZjiU ezXPc9mEXFc1QSxrq3fFDwCib4AcpaPJg6egx2Xuekcxsy9utGHy23Te8r0IxyqH 0sub3MZQZcY= =AcSr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Ad Campaign: LibreOffice is...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/5/2010 2:50 PM, Dave Johnson wrote: Check out the ideas page @ wiki I like it! It has both a modern and retro feel to it at the same time. Good work! Anthony - -- Anthony Papillion Advanced Data Concepts Remote Technical Support and Software Development Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iQIVAwUBTNRiMoeUq9QAeLbkAQIf7RAAt9xSFcFekZHGor4LZuGpHOsemOfvoAVJ 8sJZ7QR85OMBnvBh6NbkFgbJxGi1xsxRLf4oPE/Fsnrt6zuu/gptOJzXrP1sLUET 9opEFAY7H6iV9IRmPYsizLVkF+r/21nfzh6FjeAZ3yNdQq7L8azByoZVfwoZ7JSi JXWfQafM2hK5pKJqWXd4qEzmTO+xiEsNCRbDEc4rUbNmIaNZ4joNSD+R2Ora4mcQ DBhaXCxBUnnq+0zurpgDctZGxUTnvBXyPmqSjewryFAg4twSq6H0UxkCABzmw/EH 468HrogrQCek4YvFvkgQEcJLQsJ2LV60dNSbV8LHuEE4gQOkPkcZDcj9iu73hBiE r3h3AAIPNga+sUJ02nKrTtCb68FY7TRYIuHuUKuLU3Vqx8asJryS1Tu2SHDHezAc 2m/K7NwfnZnxL2sxaiICCCowAWlXIK9hHPclOrQlxsD5Vhy6xeT7KxaDItR8VE/C XZdfiVTFqkWJcGPwuFvQEwJGUnQBOZuua0gYSXQnA2DkoIs4G0Ma7ZpkU5D9avvp yrGnGsvTNzvSDka1PQ5AKkNi8fz7vxICgsAbp5HsJ6N9u9eCmV+lSn6phPkCnzV5 +BeJsCQDqEJnnH+x4/eB50C5bjlW89Vqv5OUnurTsLAMWqKobpKGjPW6j+/rFZVw M3BS2UAfwdk= =VXuA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Advice Needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/5/2010 3:10 PM, Michel Gagnon wrote: snip Just for information, what kind of support do you offer to these customers? I am wondering what incentive there is for the small computer store to pay $25 per user for your service rather than simply download the official version from the website and install it by themselves. Regards, P.S. I am not getting into that business anyway. We're offering a lot of customer hand holding. For example, if a user is experiencing a crash, we'll help them diagnose it, and we'll help them with basic usage questions or problems. The incentive for the store is that they are not having to constantly field calls from customers who are used to MSO and aren't quite 'getting' LibO. On the enterprise side, not associated with this store, we offer training, consulting, conversion assistance, and deployment. We've only offered both of those services to OOo users in the past. But, like I said, we're going to be deploying our LibO program next week. Anthony - -- Anthony Papillion Advanced Data Concepts Remote Technical Support and Software Development Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iQIVAwUBTNRm8YeUq9QAeLbkAQLlfxAAnXiWTZLOoTLQhej9wmjJYj+OncMu3Ffd LG97AJM31MCJTERWvt2vtcmrajZOF5hgjol26LLpyW+yK+SmOBykL2hR+urBSH1y mpA7/wBIxAM2mzbeBQBX847JepYL/ReRN1anPjoKGNCoAQfQcFfQ1jknDqFhzxlm pchmFxO8wBfg5IpG3WF63Uu0qn1fnbEUUWuUhU/0lVSU/n42EU1qspHYHi8jnMDn Va4XhEFR/MeloD1/nK5X26RPbsj/QFwYzYpkdiogRjJQkM8m8GR9Va6f1ibcK81i VblYeNiA7f39q48eVlTcqhEhpB0c1LKnmT6ASzaStrIiMa5mstRm5jS0Yhmq+2K8 4lF+fH1KBZa+2j01LCRH89SFlhXK00vkVnVBPQkUwp/bD4m64ki8M97eRD/em3H2 DCIKQJXDrpKltjJN40h6k/iePz926NVzCfIV17aGhHKpn/2CvK6Ny3s0JtERYEJp ePguaFtOzrsYz3fx+TZxzR5XJd84184ppWrD67QfFM/jJLbZ98wIybONd6GtGhLf 8byXSiTBH3aTqrPTjrmuRPg7NKN4YIolZsUGkS9Ksz8QkiwzYD+y9vRBSyslk2MH lbCOcaeYjG7RkDiLSpEytgy54TK8OcVbbV4wiYXVqav7L1M9Ifta2E7yCVdUosqg EDEAwS2g5Ow= =P98S -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: I might have a small store on the LibO train
Late going to bed. Sorry for the top posting. GMail won't let me do it otherwise. On 11/3/10, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-11-03 04:30, Anthony Papillion a écrit : Not big news here but I spoke with the owner of a small computer store here that *might* be willing to bundle LibO with their new PC's instead of MSO. They're wanting to maximize revenue and they see LibO as a chance to do that. Meeting with him tomorrow at 17:00 GMT. Nothing big but a small chip in LibO's direction. Anthony Papillion United States Contrats! Anthony. Early riser? Marc Canada -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Sent from my mobile device Anthony Papillion Lead Developer / Owner Advanced Data Concepts - Enabling work anywhere (918) 919-4624 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/cajuntechie My Blog: http://www.cajuntechie.com -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice with Windows on new computers: why not?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/30/2010 7:54 PM, Michel Gagnon wrote: snip Which makes me wondering something. I know there is lots of Redmond money involved in it, but would it be possible to convince the major manufacturers to install the latest version of LibreOffice alongside the other software and crapware they include in their new computers? They typically give a working version of Microsoft Works (no time limit, but a limited software), as well as a trial version of Microsoft office (a very good software that won't work after 60 days). I am sure that an installation of LibreOffice (a very good software that will work all the time) alongside that would help a lot to penetrate the market. Hi Michael, I'm not sure this would be possible right now. Microsoft doesn't only make it easy and rational for the OEM's to put MSO on their systems but they actively campaign against having competing software on the system. I've even heard that Microsoft often has it as part of their agreement with OEM's that they will not have pre-install competing software. I don't know how prevalent it is but I was told this by someone in the executive suite of at least one major OEM whom I trust. What I *could* see happening, and where I think OOo missed the boat, is boxed sales. I still believe their is room for us on store shelves. For example, I was at Walmart the other night and checked the software isle out. There was Microsoft Office and that was it. I know there is one other that Walmart carries that I can't remember the name of but it doesn't hardly sell at all because of compatibility issues I've been told. I think LibO should work to get on store shelves. Keep the open source ideal but use the money from boxed sales to fund the foundation and future development. Definitely a HARD path to travel but one I think is totally doable if we work hard enough and do a few other things. Microsoft is going to be hard to fight and win, but we can do it if we're creative, aggressive, and go for their throats. We'll take some hits but they will take more, eventually. Anthony United States - -- Anthony Papillion Advanced Data Concepts Remote Technical Support and Software Development Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iQIVAwUBTMzFN4eUq9QAeLbkAQJ7SxAAnaEVSJvdWPELvQlCJDO2Lc/70gbs08+z 9j+t7pmNqlQd4BOaa8Ozol71+G2yGxkM1hjzEAcXaZknILnw/mCrHIOvR4CHQqNM ySWFemoRcaQ6+vA1GhFjaG1aMcLERYVYORJxqeOVTZIuKDfjTmBRoY77/gqTdWzi p1RbLjBcplufIMk0jcE+dVQZPHUp0DTlbkpjEXGcYOGr0bMJSaZW7NHUP8SRUcVc /XZ8Ug2gYeIpoPkfZxvLsTxD2t5SwPxmdgVRM/hPEQSS0rs23FtA4YmEyd5EWXBT 0xGkVJIOXr2hoCFjN1GXrJ6HKsG8DTNlpomlc7DmvzwboiiUAKdr13jshLlgP4ME /jRK7WGbwiBdE7hHErYPnyFqPa/J4fDJlJDGM/zp4wq7WRmjX/vnyzTABeyQMbaZ jzrB4xNoqk56fH3FbDt+aRi42rJQcNwgVXpMxKoyUW+A7wtjtKZ985CYF0TSxPDO QS7MdBsXwckP6qKwozUu/ur+IB2zE8qM6qHOj5+YAZspTZSEXDNsdCvEqNPBMjfy 1c9tDfnWP1mrsQxFcFZYRrnIY1n7K9yHxD1aHfdHQMcGnVWY7iZrrhWCLALAYZU8 DUDuWfPjcJ5ug+3aaL91f05kAF9ARadTO88tbLlRWRBz/a5KsjgGrFAbhXPHwaju Pc9rbcUftEk= =gj0V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Obstacles to ODF adoption
On 10/28/2010 09:39 AM, Frank Esposito wrote: We should also include government as well, that seems to be where adoption is currently high. how about religious organizations? So we have: Government (local and National) Business Non profit organizations Education (all grades) Personal users Last year, I pushed hard to get a few of my area rural municipal governments to adopt OpenOffice. I met with representatives of about 15 small Oklahoma towns and did a few presentations (all designed in OpenOffice - eat the dog food!) In the end, none of them really saw any value in migrating. Their points were: 1. Microsoft provided us the software through a grant, we didn't have to pay anything so money isn't an issue. 2. Document conversion isn't 100% accurate in many cases and we have regulations we have to follow that require that they be accurate. 3. Retraining costs would be extremely high. Everyone knows MS Office, nobody knows OpenOffice. We're a small government and can't afford retraining. 4. There will be massive pushback because the skills aren't transferable and make people effectively useless in other jobs that use MS Office. I think we should address a few of these points in whatever evangelism we do towards local or national governments. Federal government in the USA has historically been suspicious and wary of open source software. That's dramatically changed over the last few years but, in some agencies, it's still there to a degree. Religious organizations are another are where costs and document portability might not be a major concern because everyone is using the same thing so there are no problems and, in many cases, Microsoft has donated the software or provided it under a grant for no out of pocket expense. We're dealing with a very savvy competitior in Microsoft that is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Whatever we come up with is going to have to be just as savvy and beat them at their own game. Anthony -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO registration page gone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/27/2010 8:06 PM, Marc Paré wrote: I had posted this in the wrong mailist and intended it here. I have just been informed that the registration page has been removed from LibO. All it took was on bug report to have it removed. Did I miss something? I don't remember a good and deep debate about this. Removing the registration page, in my opinion, is short-sighted. I totally agree with you, Marc, and I'm surprised to hear the registration page has been taken down. While it's true that it is a nuisance, to remove it altogether removes an enormous opportunity for accurate data collection. Instead of removing the registration page altogether, how about replacing it with something simpler? Maybe even just a name and state/country collector? Removing the data collection point altogether will create a huge blind spot between us and our users. Anthony - -- Anthony Papillion Advanced Data Concepts Remote Technical Support and Software Development Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iQIVAwUBTMj3BoeUq9QAeLbkAQKaCA//XrpF0Mj0jVAZeSb8UjdbwlXE8RPWZzP9 ebBHguSNm8C9kwBlwdyBRzceSeYBnuKP/cE7qitpluA/RJQU0oTlUYcN0onFDtmo SJIF/qkcjWeAwhX4SQ4/HYNEgQhSlJLrcoyy3QwRMCoB8AxoOe47jIIrvDWya8Qk asVY2RTVdMHGPcibAO7UCwXL8BwNPnPu7VvYpCs7YABxknYesY4A0sIaHgfraFTE Jt+oIFWWOADHVEJm/gIxvEbR8qOg+uWxkyYjKvwskMFmOV6176WUExsufRY22CBf DYnbb2juTl/ASCgr3Ygyq8fsNU6+lIoR97IAiEbdWDkI5lpp4pi/4olp1K804CIq /gozHJIOBVMrCZWhTwFi13HZEh2lGMtCszT2GK7MZ+matTi+lj3phs9FQ08+ByA2 XVnTmbsJ3Q75DEa+SnXQWhk6RXkFeZ7UbC+X10AOiYACj8APIpW6SHSXjZTGrn7m ruONqLdOsMl99IhcUmEqYppdvDMoezdH4p8Sb9bhLTuAFaRswZN3bZyFr3huYIyz Zb/I62yh5d/ZdFjrqbakN7e3e/5C2prmt/t8RvLw5vCdwR0bbigtu2NUa9lYVmcm gK6rV9bp1v92Bvzio0fgrcVy9oh2XNNIL3aQKGdIMvkKvohIYp/6e92jJCxRNbzU a3sZGwLH+F0= =YHTU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOfficeOK Twitter account and Blog
Hi Marc, Umm..maybe I'm on the US Marketing list. Is this not it? If it isn't then no, I'm not and I'll fix that. Thanks for the heads up. I'm not near a computer at the moment but will definitely check out the wiki. Sounds like some awesome forward motion for the project is happening. This is truly an exciting time! Anthony On 10/25/10, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-25 15:50, Anthony Papillion a écrit : On 10/25/2010 2:48 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Anthony, thank you for your interest in LibreOffice and the Document Foundation. If you look at this page: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/ You will see there already are official LibreOffice news and information. But feel free to blog or tweet about LibreOffice, of course. Hi Charles, Totally understood and I'm tweaking the wording a bit now. These accounts, however, are for a user group being formed around the LibreOffice product in Oklahoma. The blog and Twitter account will include both general official information from TDF and information from and about the group here in Oklahoma. Anthony Hi Anthony: Are you also on the US-Marketing mailist? I also started on the US-Marketing Wiki where we Canadians are junior partners. You can see it here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/US-Marketing. Feel free to add. I am now concentrating on the CA side of things. Marc -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Sent from my mobile device Anthony Papillion Lead Developer / Owner Advanced Data Concepts - Enabling work anywhere (918) 919-4624 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/cajuntechie My Blog: http://www.cajuntechie.com -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOfficeOK Twitter account and Blog
Thank you very much for adding us to the page and I'm definitely going to check out the paper. I really want to create a great resource for Oklahoma LibO users. Hmm...LibO Sooners...love it! Go Sooners, Anthony On 10/25/10, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 19:04 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 14:16 -0500, Anthony Papillion wrote: Just announcing this for those who might be interested. I've just created the LibreOfficeOK Twitter account and blog. For now, the Twitter account will be a placeholder for official LibreOffice news and information but, eventually, I'll be building a team to promote and support LibreOffice within the State of Oklahoma. The blog (http://libreofficeok.wordpress.com) will be mostly end user focused but also discuss and promote LibreOffice and other open source technology issues within the state. Anyone wanting to join and contribute, please send me an email. Also - added the Twitter account to the wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services#Social_Media and add to the - http://paper.li/LibreOfficeVols/paper feed used to generate the paper - One more thing - the LibO Sooners sounds good to me...*chuckle*...you know for a group name.. Drew -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Sent from my mobile device Anthony Papillion Lead Developer / Owner Advanced Data Concepts - Enabling work anywhere (918) 919-4624 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/cajuntechie My Blog: http://www.cajuntechie.com -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO in Business
On 10/26/2010 7:14 PM, Frank Esposito wrote: snip Not as many issues as MSO has with ODF, and LibO/OOo is standards compliant yes but the world uses MSO so that point is moot if were are trying to get them to use LO/OO. and the average user or business IT person usually does not even know what standards compliant even means. All they care about is their employment agency only accepts a resume in word format Rant (My apologies beforehand) I'm going to comment on this single point because it's illustrative of a problem I see a lot in the open source vs Microsoft world and I think you hit the nail right on the head, Frank. Yes, we all know that Microsoft ignores standards (or creates their own 'standards' outright) and we all know that a lot of their practices are out of line with what is standard and right. But, as much as the open source community would like to deny it sometimes, we are the odd men out. Right now, *compatibility* with MSO is one of the absolute essentials. Yes, we might have to 'break' some compatibility standards. Yes, we might have to do some pretty messed up things to get there but, eventually, once we've won, we can begin moving everyone down a more standardized path which Microsoft will then HAVE to follow. To take down the MSO monopoly, we're going to have to focus on compatibility. I've heard many users define OOo as 's...@t' simply because they couldn't save a fairly simple document and have it interpreted correctly by MSO. Yes, it's an MSO failing because they aren't standards compliant but users don't care. We are the odd men out so if it isn't compatible with Microsoft, WE are the ones who are broken. This isn't just true for OOo and LibO. This is true for *every* open source project who says 'It's not us! We're standards compliant! It's Microsoft!'. Who cares? Like Frank said, most users aren't even aware WHAT standards are, much less understand that the software they just paid $500 is the problem instead of the free one they downloaded off the web. If they can't send their resume, it's game over. /Rant Anthony -- Anthony Papillion Advanced Data Concepts Remote Technical Support and Software Development Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] PIN for tomorrow's con call
Hello Everyone, I don't think I got the PIN for the con call tomorrow. Would someone be kind enough to forward it to me? Thanks! Anthony -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PIN for tomorrow's con call
On 10/25/2010 2:07 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Anthony Papillion papill...@gmail.comwrote: Hello Everyone, I don't think I got the PIN for the con call tomorrow. Would someone be kind enough to forward it to me? Thanks! Anthony snip I think is on the wiki. Not that I see. It gives the room number but says The PIN will be announced in time. Anthony -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PIN for tomorrow's con call
On 10/25/2010 2:33 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: snip Not that I see. It gives the room number but says The PIN will be announced in time. thanks for notifying me. I just added the PIN. Thank you sir! -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] LibreOfficeOK Twitter account and Blog
Just announcing this for those who might be interested. I've just created the LibreOfficeOK Twitter account and blog. For now, the Twitter account will be a placeholder for official LibreOffice news and information but, eventually, I'll be building a team to promote and support LibreOffice within the State of Oklahoma. The blog (http://libreofficeok.wordpress.com) will be mostly end user focused but also discuss and promote LibreOffice and other open source technology issues within the state. Anyone wanting to join and contribute, please send me an email. Thanks! Anthony -- Anthony Papillion Advanced Data Concepts Remote Technical Support and Software Development Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOfficeOK Twitter account and Blog
On 10/25/2010 2:48 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Anthony, thank you for your interest in LibreOffice and the Document Foundation. If you look at this page: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/ You will see there already are official LibreOffice news and information. But feel free to blog or tweet about LibreOffice, of course. Hi Charles, Totally understood and I'm tweaking the wording a bit now. These accounts, however, are for a user group being formed around the LibreOffice product in Oklahoma. The blog and Twitter account will include both general official information from TDF and information from and about the group here in Oklahoma. Anthony -- Anthony Papillion Advanced Data Concepts Remote Technical Support and Software Development Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO in Business
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey everyone, I'm new here so I hope no one minds me just jumping in. LibO usability is something that is near and dear to my heart so I thought this was a good thread to 'get up all in'. On 10/23/2010 8:11 AM, Frank Esposito wrote: snip * it does not match MS Office functionality exactly (this is what the world uses, so to get people to adopt LO, they need to have what they already need) But I think it *does* match what most home (and many business) users need. I think the software is almost there and could be quickly and fairly easily refined to meet the remaining must have needs. * It has issues with MS doc and docx files (yes I know MS formats in an insane way and does not follow standards) unrefined I do a lot of OpenOffice training and migrations and that is the #1 issue I hear from users. I believe solving this one problem is going to solve 30% to 50% of user problems and issues with the software. No, Microsoft doesn't follow standards (and they don't do that for the exact reason LibO and Oo are having difficulty with now) but near perfect compatibility is absolutely essential. snip * LO needs to match every single MS Office function, and then provide what MS Office is missing I don't know that I'd say *every* function in MS Office. There are some things that Office can do that probably 80% of even hard core users don't need. Hit the big ones, do focus groups on what people need, and start there. Good enough for a start IMHO. * The interface needs to become refined (think iphone refinement), maybe even adding the dreaded ribbon or option to switch between the two types) Absolutely agree! As someone who used to be a Microsoft partner, I have to say that Office has a fantastic look about it. It's sexy, it's sleek, it's functional. Oo and LibO don't even come close to comparing UI wise yet. snip * perfect the spellcheck system and advance grammar and formatting control systems Thankfully, I don't think any of these will be terribly difficult. There is already a lot of technology out there that could be used for each of these functions. We just need to investigate them and implement them. We could institute some kind of feedback program such as the test pilot model that Mozilla uses with Firefox 4. We can also look at how MS destroyed Word perfect in market share to dominate the World Office suite business market. I think we could learn a *lot* from the way Microsoft plays ball. While we're not into the vendor lock-in that they are, many of the same tactics they used could easily be used against them. The only issue is you need a truly competitive technology to compete that way and, I don't think LibO is *quite* there yet, even if only because of the issues you mentioned. Then LO needs to innovate new features and stabilize its current feature set, this is how Firefox, and later Chrome won the browser wars (in my opinion at least). Yep: investigate, implement, analyze, iterate. Anthony - -- Anthony Papillion Advanced Data Concepts Remote Technical Support and Software Development Office: (918) 919-4624 Mobile: (918) 320-9968 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iQIVAwUBTMN5koeUq9QAeLbkAQIKHQ//fJYy2wF4Su9kqPUz0J7q4wJnxUwpw56k aGrofzCkKd8c2OvJUyDPkKCf3VIOPCi77rZ+oaDGHvj2hlDKyZOSgjixihVhkL/w 6ucLovwtJ5VszToD1xXWSAsVXjLTrz5nu1zEkWSaj8aEZPo2758i16vpP62B9bz4 msQfTb9Fe/jKuB0Eu9/8QFfLGIjtu+vhGk46bfSlTaG/Brnu5eyyqHZktzRkznjg /Y2PtLhmY2kRN5QHDl3MHV77X6AYEfinZgkv/K3mwAIdfZtLjue3mA263o+jVH70 F5mn22XSCDvLBsUMXEZT+W+xelW+xtuMBt3X6nzQr3aUuARDXNxz41Rcw/7szRpT ORmumDSVWrNN6tLiyURyGX9DZ8051Ef/u1bRd8I49KHp+d8UF7oAQjpOQObzPGmQ uH11V1IY6pG8txxRSpCnogx1oeToniELhVMxCuOCofNzGJJFpyCGljyaht9rRyQl fW+QumRtw7dJXtuUmHvNNr/cGSaUxj+8uEqW7UJKLK1BM2QdtU6mMBSM2CldtTX9 unq0ctu4GeZE5O8GOd6m8Nmsp6r7Y59xZ5uC7G041GVwNJtZXRQQ2Scs6bhLKd4D /C9/V7w93NM+rFCYzvDyz/5bVx7twqvgpBdkrH3I3Kw3bFXl//dxdj7mEVethiKy 2n99hUuWB7c= =eCeF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
