[In the news] Fedora 13 Holds Strong Promise For Developers

2010-04-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi http://www.efytimes.com/e1/creativenews.asp?edid=43668 However, the road to this progress was bumpy. One of the major challenges of this release was the choice made by the Fedora team to branch Fedora 13 content earlier from the constantly moving development branch called 'Rawhide'. The

Re: Linux Foundation MeeGo partners: Fedora MIA

2010-04-15 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi, On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, http://www.linuxfoundation.org/node/6145 Linux Foundation has recently announced a long list of distributions as partners to boost their MeeGo effort.  Fedora (and Ubuntu) is not in that list.  Any idea,

Re: Linux Foundation MeeGo partners: Fedora MIA

2010-04-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/15/2010 01:56 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: I presume that we would have to communicate with them and come to some form of agreement. I'm not sure what that curtails and I would assume it would need both board and legal assistance. I'm prepared to assist from the technical side of things but

Re: Advertising open core software [correction]

2010-04-15 Thread Jan Wildeboer
On 04/15/2010 11:41 AM, Jan Wildeboer wrote: Zarafa is not positioning itself on its own website as All advantages The not should not be there. Jan -- Jan H Wildeboer| EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobile: +49

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Robert Scheck
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, Jan Wildeboer wrote: Zarafa is not positioning itself on its own website as All advantages of Micrososft Exchange at 50% of the costs [1]. The version we have in the repos also seems to have a limit of 3 outlook users according to [2]. So in this specific case I do have

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Joerg Simon
Am Donnerstag, 15. April 2010 11:41:39 schrieb Jan Wildeboer: I am more fearful of an opposite possibility. That companies can buy themselves in to Fedora marketing. Noboidy brought this up *yet* but soonish someone will propose that companies could sponsor this. It is a natural thing to think

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Jan Wildeboer
If community version is different from what we have in fedora, it makes my point about user expectations even stronger. So I remain on my position. It should be mentioned but not promoted. Jan - Original Message - From: marketing-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Jan Wildeboer
On 04/15/2010 01:02 PM, Joerg Simon wrote: any fedora user is able to use all the features that zarafa provides to all fedora-users! s/Zarafa/Zarafa Open Source version/g I do fear that if we promote Zarafa in our marketing material (Press releases etc.) that do not *only* target existing

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/15/2010 05:11 PM, Nelson Marques wrote: By the way, might not be the best metaphore, but what is Fedora position regarding Tomboy ? why are we not highlighting Tomboy and instead going Gnote way? Shouldn't we be prioritizing FOSS ? Disclosure: I am the maintainer of Gnote in

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Nelson Marques
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 17:20 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 04/15/2010 05:11 PM, Nelson Marques wrote: By the way, might not be the best metaphore, but what is Fedora position regarding Tomboy ? why are we not highlighting Tomboy and instead going Gnote way? Shouldn't we be

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/15/2010 06:02 PM, Nelson Marques wrote: Rahul, Thanks for the explanation, that really provided me more accurate information. I've readed before somewhere that Fedora went Gnote because Tomboy had connections to Mono. It was a comparative article with highlighted Fedora 12 vs OpenSuSE

Re: Feature Profiles :: NetworkManager

2010-04-15 Thread Nelson Marques
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NetworkManager_in_Fedora_13 Needs some editing and corrections for syntax and what-so-ever. Robyn, your chisel skills ? I'm going to upload screenshots soon, later today and do so minor tweaking on a couple of aspects. I am not sure if that was what was

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Joerg Simon
Am Donnerstag, 15. April 2010 13:41:38 schrieb Nelson Marques: It is strange someone pulls the issue market penetration when before on this very same list the topic was aborded in a very different way. I don't believe there is coherence here. So we are expanding or not expanding? Nelson, my

Re: [in the news] Register: Fedora tempts fate with Apollo 13 beta

2010-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:54:27AM -0400, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: Let's refrain from bashing reporters or news venues on this list please.  While reporters sometimes get things wrong or put their own spin on

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 04:30:10PM +0200, Joerg Simon wrote: Am Donnerstag, 15. April 2010 13:41:38 schrieb Nelson Marques: We are full of load, it's a waste of manpower to support stuff that comes in a pesky way. This wording is a bit unlucky for all the people who put a lot effort into

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 01:41:47PM +0200, Jan Wildeboer wrote: On 04/15/2010 01:02 PM, Joerg Simon wrote: any fedora user is able to use all the features that zarafa provides to all fedora-users! s/Zarafa/Zarafa Open Source version/g I do fear that if we promote Zarafa in our

Re: [in the news] Register: Fedora tempts fate with Apollo 13 beta

2010-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
Nelson and I talked on the list -- it's possible that I was confused by his wording as a ESL speaker talking to a native English speaker. If that happened, I worry it might have happened to others -- Joe for instance (not to call him out unnecessarily). So Nelson, if I misunderstood your point, I

Re: [in the news] Register: Fedora tempts fate with Apollo 13 beta

2010-04-15 Thread Nelson Marques
You were not confused. It might the language and the fact that I usually think in my main language and then type in another thing. You also don't know me, but I'm usually a bit vertical and accutilant on my speech, which doesn't help. No need for apologies. All the input if processed

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Joerg Simon
Am Donnerstag, 15. April 2010 17:15:34 schrieb Paul W. Frields: Please Marketing People do not make the same mistake as with Fedora Electronic Lab features - last release! Thanks for this reminder Joerg. We don't want to do that. ah - Paul - i am guilty to bring up old hats ;) cu Joerg

One Page Release Notes Sprint

2010-04-15 Thread Tyler Torbet
My name is Tyler Torbet. I am a student at Allegheny College and our group is working with the Fedora Project. We are working on One Page Release Notes and would like to have a sprint tonight at 6:00pm in order to get some more ideas. The chat room will be: #OPRN-sprint. Some of our group

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Robert Scheck
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, Paul W. Frields wrote: I don't see any problem with correcting the wording we're using. We can change this to Zarafa Open Source edition. Robert, does that sound OK to you? May we use Zarafa Open Source Collaboration? That's what upstream does, usually. But in general, I

Re: One Page Release Notes Sprint

2010-04-15 Thread Mel Chua
On 04/15/2010 12:13 PM, Tyler Torbet wrote: My name is Tyler Torbet. I am a student at Allegheny College and our group is working with the Fedora Project. We are working on One Page Release Notes and would like to have a sprint tonight at 6:00pm in order to get some more ideas. The chat

Re: One Page Release Notes Sprint

2010-04-15 Thread Robyn Bergeron
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/15/2010 12:13 PM, Tyler Torbet wrote: My name is Tyler Torbet.  I am a student at Allegheny College and our group is working with the Fedora Project.  We are working on One Page Release Notes and would like to have a sprint

Sprint Tonight

2010-04-15 Thread Tyler Torbet
We will be changing the room to #fedora-mktg. The sprint will still be at 6:00pm. Tyler -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

Re: FYI - Fedora Insight Freeze dates

2010-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:27:27PM -0400, Pascal Calarco wrote: On 04/14/2010 09:56 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: Caught this in IRC a bit ago - 17:23 mmcgrath mchua_afk: any timeline on insight? We unfroze today and will freeze again on the 4th. If it's going to go

Re: Advertising open core software

2010-04-15 Thread Robyn Bergeron
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 01:41:47PM +0200, Jan Wildeboer wrote: On 04/15/2010 01:02 PM, Joerg Simon wrote: any fedora user is able to use all the features that zarafa provides to all fedora-users!

Video release schedule

2010-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
Hi guys, I've got word back from the folks working on a couple feature videos about their target dates for release. The schedule looks like this: 27 April -- Python 4 May -- Desktop HW enablements Kara Schiltz and I are going to try to build a Red Hat press blog entry around each of these,

Re: Sprint Tonight

2010-04-15 Thread Ryan Rix
On Thu 15 April 2010 10:10:58 am Tyler Torbet wrote: We will be changing the room to #fedora-mktg. The sprint will still be at 6:00pm. Tyler What timezone is that? -- Ryan Rix == http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://rix.si/ == signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: Sprint Tonight

2010-04-15 Thread Robyn Bergeron
Eastern time, from what I saw earlier on IRC. -robyn On 4/15/10, Ryan Rix r...@n.rix.si wrote: On Thu 15 April 2010 10:10:58 am Tyler Torbet wrote: We will be changing the room to #fedora-mktg. The sprint will still be at 6:00pm. Tyler What timezone is that? -- Ryan Rix ==

Re: Feature Profiles :: NetworkManager

2010-04-15 Thread Nelson Marques
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NetworkManager_in_Fedora_13 Changed the whole thing. Only point 2 should be edited soon. For the rest I believe it fits and qualifies with the goals of the Feature Profiles. Feel free to edit, cut, whatever 8) Any suggestions are always welcome, nelson On Thu,

Update: python in f13 feature profile now featuring human-readable interview.

2010-04-15 Thread Mel Chua
The Python 13 feature interview now features human-readable text, thanks to brankf, starzej, and niedzwm, who pointed out things that would add more context for a novice programmer. Time to apply the patches Paul suggested, make some supplemental content (I think istanbul works now?), do some

Fun feature: etherpad playback

2010-04-15 Thread Mel Chua
Mostly for the amusement of folks who haven't seen this before - etherpad (the collaborative text editor we used for sprinting on marketing deliverables with groups of Allegheny students today[0]) has a playback feature. For instance, frantic video from the one-page release notes sprint today