Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
+1, congratulations Paulo and community Brasil. On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: +1 :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 19 June, 2011 22:09:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International. Le 2011-06-17 20:00, Paulo de Souza Lima a écrit : 2011/6/17 Paulo de Souza Limapaulo.s.l...@varekai.org 2011/6/17 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com Hi Renata and Paulo Hi Marc. I have translated the following pages (review is needed): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Production http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Repository http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/FriendPages I notice that some of the pages have been moved over. Many thanks for all of your work. Do you still have many pages left to move. Do you need any help with checking with EN translation? Once the EN version is done we can start advertising the LibreOffice project to all of the other language groups and they could start translating/localizing all of the pages. Pages below should be different from ours, because of their context. I've marked them as Under Construction: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Issues http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Translation The following page needs to be writen either in our wiki and international. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Guide Should I go ahead and add it to the menu list on the marketing page[1]. I've included the menus in all pages above (the same as in Marketing/Magazine). I think you can include Marketing/Magazine page in the menu list now. Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing Cheers. Paulo Hi Paulo The pages all look fine in EN. Thanks for doing this. Cheers Marc Hi :) +1 It's great to see all this done so fast! Thanks to Marc too for making so easily available so fast too :) many regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Clóvis Tristão Net Admin Phone: 55 (19) 3296-4057 / Mobile: 55 (19) 9117-3116 MSN: clovis_trista...@hotmail.com / Skype: tclovis / GTalk: tclo...@gmail.com Facebook: clovis.tristao / Twitter: @tclovis / Identi.ca: tclovis ---;~) Be Cool, use GNU/Linux LibreOffice.org -- http://libreoffice.org/ LibreOffice.org Brasil -- http://pt-br.libreoffice.org/ Revista LibreOffice Brasil -- http://pt-br.libreoffice.org/projetos/revista/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Le 2011-06-17 20:00, Paulo de Souza Lima a écrit : 2011/6/17 Paulo de Souza Limapaulo.s.l...@varekai.org 2011/6/17 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com Hi Renata and Paulo Hi Marc. I have translated the following pages (review is needed): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Production http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Repository http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/FriendPages I notice that some of the pages have been moved over. Many thanks for all of your work. Do you still have many pages left to move. Do you need any help with checking with EN translation? Once the EN version is done we can start advertising the LibreOffice project to all of the other language groups and they could start translating/localizing all of the pages. Pages below should be different from ours, because of their context. I've marked them as Under Construction: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Issues http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Translation The following page needs to be writen either in our wiki and international. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Guide Should I go ahead and add it to the menu list on the marketing page[1]. I've included the menus in all pages above (the same as in Marketing/Magazine). I think you can include Marketing/Magazine page in the menu list now. Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing Cheers. Paulo Hi Paulo The pages all look fine in EN. Thanks for doing this. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
+1 :) From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 19 June, 2011 22:09:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International. Le 2011-06-17 20:00, Paulo de Souza Lima a écrit : 2011/6/17 Paulo de Souza Limapaulo.s.l...@varekai.org 2011/6/17 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com Hi Renata and Paulo Hi Marc. I have translated the following pages (review is needed): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Production http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Repository http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/FriendPages I notice that some of the pages have been moved over. Many thanks for all of your work. Do you still have many pages left to move. Do you need any help with checking with EN translation? Once the EN version is done we can start advertising the LibreOffice project to all of the other language groups and they could start translating/localizing all of the pages. Pages below should be different from ours, because of their context. I've marked them as Under Construction: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Issues http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Translation The following page needs to be writen either in our wiki and international. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Guide Should I go ahead and add it to the menu list on the marketing page[1]. I've included the menus in all pages above (the same as in Marketing/Magazine). I think you can include Marketing/Magazine page in the menu list now. Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing Cheers. Paulo Hi Paulo The pages all look fine in EN. Thanks for doing this. Cheers Marc Hi :) +1 It's great to see all this done so fast! Thanks to Marc too for making so easily available so fast too :) many regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Hi =)
How's the migration doing? Can we start wiki pages translations to EN?
Cheers
2011/6/16 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com
Le 2011-06-16 13:22, Renata Marques a écrit :
Yes, I need help.
I tried, but I couldn't do this.
I put the {{OrigLang|}} bar, but the wiki recognized the page as En.
I didn't move the page yet, so you can see thi at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista
This is making me think that the way is move the page to something like
Marketing/Revista/pt-br.
So, the English page will be Marketing/Revista.
If you have another way to do this, please, just do! But, tell how did you
do, I wanna learn it.
Regards,
Renata Marques
2011/6/16 Renata Marquesremarq...@gmail.com
Hi Renata
I notice that there has been some rationalization of the page naming
conventions for the wiki -- someone has put some time in to create a short
manual. We should follow the same TDF wiki naming rules that have been
established. ( I have to admit that I have played a bit with some of the
wiki pages and did no know of these wiki pages that describe these naming
rules. I may have to go back and tweak some of my older wiki pages.)
So, you can read up on two pages regarding menus[1] and localization
menus[2]. This second link is the one that we should use to observe the
rules of the TDF wiki multilingual page building. It looks like an English
page will have to be created first and then the localization menu added
after this, and then you will have to choose the PT-BR button to create your
page and then do the transferring. If this does not make any sense to you,
let me know and I will build it.
Sorry for my last statements, as I thought that you could make the PT-BR
the original language, but the manuals say that you should not be doing this
as the EN pages should always be the page without a language code.
Cheers
Marc
[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Wiki_Menu
[2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Multilingual_Wiki
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
2011/6/17 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Hi Renata and Paulo Hi Marc. I notice that some of the pages have been moved over. Many thanks for all of your work. Do you still have many pages left to move. Do you need any help with checking with EN translation? Once the EN version is done we can start advertising the LibreOffice project to all of the other language groups and they could start translating/localizing all of the pages. I have translated the following pages (review is needed): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Production http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Repository http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/FriendPages Pages below should be different from ours, because of their context. I've marked them as Under Construction: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Issues http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Translation The following page needs to be writen either in our wiki and international. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Guide Should I go ahead and add it to the menu list on the marketing page[1]. I've included the menus in all pages above (the same as in Marketing/Magazine). I think you can include Marketing/Magazine page in the menu list now. Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing Cheers. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Hi Paulo, Bernard et al: Le 2011-06-15 20:44, Paulo de Souza Lima a écrit : This is the real point: We were really commited with LibreOffice until that discussion when we managed to show what was really going on in Brazilian community in this list. I have to say that somehow I was a kind of pessimist about TDF and LibreOffice (personally speaking). I think some people had similar thoughts. In Brazil, many people see with good looking another open source office suite. More choices, more freedom. But people who was working in BrOffice Community still remains with LibreOffice, for now, despite those disagreements. If TDF become more sensible to our needs than used to be, maybe this situation could be pending to a side in favour of TDF and LibreOffice. Sorry for those words, but it's the real truth. I tried to follow the prior discussion you and others from the Brasilian membership had with the TDF members on this list. I hope that many of the issues have been resolved. It is nice to have the PT-BR on our site and helping out and we are all very appreciative of the Brasilian membership. You are all terrific contributors! It will be something like this: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Proposta_capaLibOMagazine01.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Proposta_capaLibOMagazine02.png This logo I like better. This the logo of magazine: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logotipo_revista_proposta_02.png If I understand it right, the magazine is a work of the Brazilian community. In my eyes it should be allowed to use the logo with TDF subline (if you want to use it, of course) describing it as official resource of the community. Well. We were hardly criticized for using it, and also the domain name ( libreoffice.org.br) and the brand in our old website. This would be a 180 degree turnaround. Am I wrong? An official statement giving those rights to Broffice (now LibreOffice) magazine would be pretty nice in order to clear any doubt. I also agree with Bernhard that you should be allowed to use the logo with TDF subline. And, as you are taking a lead in helping organizing the International LibreOffice Magazine, this would also give even more validity to the use of the TDF subline. I don't think that this is a 180 degree turn around; it is just a matter of both groups trying to resolve differences of opinion. I think we are past this and we can now move on. I would think that getting official rights to using the TDF subline on the LibreOffice Magasine Brasil will be permitted by the TDF/SC. Bernhard -- would this have to be taken up on the design mailist? Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
Le 2011-06-15 14:06, Renata Marques a écrit :
Hi Marc, Simos, all,
I take a look in the wiki page and it looks good.
I've added the lang bar in our wiki. Maybe the page should be moved too
(something like marketing/magazine/pt-br, perhaps).
I will resume the production flow of Revista BrOffice in a graphic then I
share it here. This flow is something I would like to have done for a long
time, but I always have put off. So now I'm doing that.
However, the steps are described in this page:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Guia
Regards,
Renata
Hi Renata et al
I was just thinking about the organization of the pages on the wiki. If we
are going to make a real effort to publish an International LibreOffice
Magazine, then, as Renata suggests, we should try to organize the structure
properly. Therefore, I would like to propose the following:
* we move the /PT-BR/Revista/ pages (with all sub-pages) to the marketing
section. So, instead of finding the pages on
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/, we would move all of the
pages listed with Revista to
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/PT-BR/Revista/
* there should be a language bar on all of the /PT-BR/Revista/ (and all
sub-pages) with the {{OrigLang|}} being PT-BR. This will set the original
language of this section as PT-BR.
* we will add an link on the main Marketing wiki page to the International
LibreOffice Magazine pages[1]. Explanation: it was agreed from the very
start of the TDF/LibreOffice that the working language of LibreOffice would
be International English. This allows a common language for all groups to
be able to participate in all aspects of the TDF/LibreOffice.
This way the LibreOffice Magazine Brasil can continue to expand their
section as they wish and the other interested NL groups will be able to do
their translations of these pages.
At least now the placement of the Magazine pages will make more sense in the
Marketing section.
How does this sound?
I think this wiki arrangement for the Marketing section is reasonable.
I am not sure if you need special rights to move these pages around.
Unless someone objects, you could make the changes.
Simos
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Le 2011-06-15 19:11, Renata Marques a écrit : Hi, Here is the flow: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:RB_-_Fluxo_de_produ%C3%A7%C3%A3o.odp I hope that don't have many English erros. Thanks Paulo, by review. You can correct any mistake too. Regards, Renata Marques Thanks Renata This is great! I also edited after Paulo's edit. Let me know if there is any problem with this. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Hi Bernhard, hi all... On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi Helio, all, Helio S. Ferreira schrieb: = Hi all, for the next issue will have a new layout and a new name, LibreOffice Magazine Brasil. This is really great news! I hope that LibreOffice will get the momentum BrOffice had in the past in Brazil. I'd like to see some kind of advertising for this magazine under it's new name. In my eyes the international community will applaud the Brazilian community for their work - perhaps in blog entries, perhaps in a official press release about the final switch from BrOffice.org to LibreOffice not only for the product, but for the magazine as well. Reading the discussion on the Apache list, there have been many people thinking of BrOffice as independent (forked) development from OpenOffice.org. I'd like to see this corrected, but I can't tell about the impact on the Brazilian community of such a press release. What do you think, Brazilians? Would such a press release be understood as positive reaction by the international community? Yes, i agree. The new fhase of the brazilian magazine deserves to be widely disseminated. +1 for the press release. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Proposta_capaLibOMagazine01.png If I understand it right, the magazine is a work of the Brazilian community. In my eyes it should be allowed to use the logo with TDF subline (if you want to use it, of course) describing it as official resource of the community. The use of the logo without TDF subline was intentional. Because we did not know the reaction of the international community, but now i know :-) As the subline would interfere with the existing line Magazine Brazil I don't think that this would lead to a better visual design, but I wanted to share my opinion, that the magazine shows a tremendous work by the community in Brazil. That's correct, i'll change it. I like this design :-) Thanks! PS: I know about the concerns inside the Brazilian community, but the work on this magazine is visible and probably took more than 3 months. If the creators would be interested in TDF membership, this would be an easy way to show the Membership committee what they have contributed. With one contact knowing about the amount of work by the single applicant (it doesn't need to be several hours a day or week - it just needs to be significant), it would be quite easy for the MC to approve these applications, I assume. And the more members of a team or local community join TDF as members, the better their community is represented inside the international community. Thanks for the invitation. It will be a pleasure. Go to work... -- Hélio José Santiago Ferreira Linux User #384101 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Hi Marc,
2011/6/16 Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@gmail.com
2011/6/16 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com
Le 2011-06-15 14:06, Renata Marques a écrit :
Hi Renata et al
I was just thinking about the organization of the pages on the wiki. If
we
are going to make a real effort to publish an International LibreOffice
Magazine, then, as Renata suggests, we should try to organize the
structure
properly. Therefore, I would like to propose the following:
* we move the /PT-BR/Revista/ pages (with all sub-pages) to the marketing
section. So, instead of finding the pages on
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/, we would move all of
the pages listed with Revista to
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/PT-BR/Revista/
* there should be a language bar on all of the /PT-BR/Revista/ (and all
sub-pages) with the {{OrigLang|}} being PT-BR. This will set the original
language of this section as PT-BR.
This is nice. I didn't know this is possible. I thougth that English was
always the standard.
In this case, Marketing/PT-BR/Revista will be in Portuguese, isn't? And the
English page? Will be Marketing/PT-BR/Revista/en ?
So, don't we need to put in the format Maketing/Magazine/ (and
Marketing/Magazine/pt-br to Brazil), right?
* we will add an link on the main Marketing wiki page to the
International
LibreOffice Magazine pages[1]. Explanation: it was agreed from the very
start of the TDF/LibreOffice that the working language of LibreOffice
would
be International English. This allows a common language for all groups
to
be able to participate in all aspects of the TDF/LibreOffice.
+1 (I agree. This is common in Brazil lists, do you understand it?)
This way the LibreOffice Magazine Brasil can continue to expand their
section as they wish and the other interested NL groups will be able to
do
their translations of these pages.
At least now the placement of the Magazine pages will make more sense in
the Marketing section.
How does this sound?
It seems fine, for me. But this will cause some extra work, because we'll
need to copy our contens twice, 1 move to the Marketing section; 2 rebuild
PT-BR Magazine section under the Marketing section. am I wrong?
Paulo,
I think this isn't necessary because the uses of {{OrigLang|}}
Another issue: Brazilian people used to know our direction is
wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista. If we *move* this section to
Marketing/Magazine, translate them to English and then rebuild the PT-BR
pages, what will happen when someone try that URL? Won't he/her to an
International page instead a Brazilian page? This could cause some kind of
confusion, don't you think?
It is the same of above.
Beyond that, we should change the main menu, to further the people who
forget the new adress.
Regards,
Renata Marques
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Hi Marc, 2011/6/16 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Thanks Renata This is great! I also edited after Paulo's edit. Let me know if there is any problem with this. Surely not! Thank you! Renata. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
2011/6/16 Renata Marques remarq...@gmail.com Hi Marc, 2011/6/16 Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@gmail.com 2011/6/16 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Ok! If our wiki girl says yes, who am I to disagree =) Go ahead. -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a paz espiritual e a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a batalha interna das virtudes sobre os defeitos - Talal Husseini - Filósofo Acropolitano For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Le 2011-06-16 07:56, Renata Marques a écrit :
Hi Marc,
2011/6/16 Paulo de Souza Limapaulo.s.l...@gmail.com
2011/6/16 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com
Le 2011-06-15 14:06, Renata Marques a écrit :
Hi Renata et al
I was just thinking about the organization of the pages on the wiki. If
we
are going to make a real effort to publish an International LibreOffice
Magazine, then, as Renata suggests, we should try to organize the
structure
properly. Therefore, I would like to propose the following:
* we move the /PT-BR/Revista/ pages (with all sub-pages) to the marketing
section. So, instead of finding the pages on
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/, we would move all of
the pages listed with Revista to
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/PT-BR/Revista/
* there should be a language bar on all of the /PT-BR/Revista/ (and all
sub-pages) with the {{OrigLang|}} being PT-BR. This will set the original
language of this section as PT-BR.
This is nice. I didn't know this is possible. I thougth that English was
always the standard.
In this case, Marketing/PT-BR/Revista will be in Portuguese, isn't? And the
English page? Will be Marketing/PT-BR/Revista/en ?
So, don't we need to put in the format Maketing/Magazine/ (and
Marketing/Magazine/pt-br to Brazil), right?
This is all correct.
* we will add an link on the main Marketing wiki page to the
International
LibreOffice Magazine pages[1]. Explanation: it was agreed from the very
start of the TDF/LibreOffice that the working language of LibreOffice
would
be International English. This allows a common language for all groups
to
be able to participate in all aspects of the TDF/LibreOffice.
+1 (I agree. This is common in Brazil lists, do you understand it?)
This way the LibreOffice Magazine Brasil can continue to expand their
section as they wish and the other interested NL groups will be able to
do
their translations of these pages.
At least now the placement of the Magazine pages will make more sense in
the Marketing section.
How does this sound?
It seems fine, for me. But this will cause some extra work, because we'll
need to copy our contens twice, 1 move to the Marketing section; 2 rebuild
PT-BR Magazine section under the Marketing section. am I wrong?
Paulo,
I think this isn't necessary because the uses of {{OrigLang|}}
Another issue: Brazilian people used to know our direction is
wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista. If we *move* this section to
Marketing/Magazine, translate them to English and then rebuild the PT-BR
pages, what will happen when someone try that URL? Won't he/her to an
International page instead a Brazilian page? This could cause some kind of
confusion, don't you think?
It is the same of above.
Beyond that, we should change the main menu, to further the people who
forget the new adress.
Yes. So, unless the are any objections to this from anyone, we could
move the pages ourselves and leave a message on the original page
advising the BR members that the page has moved and even leaving a link
to the new wiki page location.
Let me know if you need help moving the page and I can do the move.
Regards,
Renata Marques
Cheers
Marc
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Hi Renata and Paulo Le 2011-06-16 08:37, Paulo de Souza Lima a écrit : 2011/6/16 Renata Marquesremarq...@gmail.com Hi Marc, 2011/6/16 Paulo de Souza Limapaulo.s.l...@gmail.com 2011/6/16 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com Ok! If our wiki girl says yes, who am I to disagree =) Go ahead. It's just a matter of copying the code and dropping it into the new wiki page, there is no need to re-build any page that you have created. Once you are all done, you can leave a note on the original wiki page advising people of the change and and linking to the new page location. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Rui Ogawa tenção! Caso haja documentos de escritório anexados neste e-mail, eles poderão estar no formato ODF, um padrão aberto, gratuito e homologado pela ISO e ABNT. Para abrir e editá-los, basta baixar e instalar o LibreOffice.org em http://libreoffice.org/download. Quer a estabilidade do Debian e a facilidade do Mint? Experimente Linux Mint Debian Edition! http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.phphttp://www.ubuntu-br.org/ 2011/6/16 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Le 2011-06-15 18:00, Rui a écrit : Hi folks! I'm sending this quick so I can rush out and see the moon eclipse... =D As we have the profile @revistabroo on Twitter and Identi.ca for the Brazilian magazine, I think it would be interesting to have an international profile for the magazine, if not already. What do you think? Rui Ogawa Hi Rui Hi Marc, Nice, you get to see the eclipse! We don't get to see it in Canada (I am in Canada). ;-( Re: Twitter and identi.ca. Maybe we should get the magazine structured a little before we get that far. I agree... I am hoping that if we can organize the magazine really well, that we will be able to attract more people to the magazine project to help out. From the look of the Revista magazine masthead you have quite a few people working on the production of the Brasilian magazine. I think we should start a recruitment again, inviting more people to participate in the production process of the magazine. There are many people who know the magazine is willing to cooperate but do not know how to begin. Is our duty to invite them and show them step by step. Do you get a lot of feedback from these two accounts? Is there someone in charge who monitors these accounts? How does the PT-BR Revista use these two accounts? I am just wondering how you use the information. Well, I'll stick more to twitter, which is more popular in Brazil. Currently we have 612 followers and we follow 132 profiles. At the moment I am responsible for these profiles, replicating the calls of articles in the magazine and the news of libreoffice, odf, etc. that appear on the Internet. Would not be correct to say that there is someone monitoring the profiles. For example, if someone asks a question, comment or suggestion directly (not a RT), they will not have an answer or feedback. I think the ideal would be to provide this feedback, but it would be necessary to have more people helping to monitor the profiles. Regards, Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Hi Marc, 2011/6/16 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Yes. So, unless the are any objections to this from anyone, we could move the pages ourselves and leave a message on the original page advising the BR members that the page has moved and even leaving a link to the new wiki page location. Let me know if you need help moving the page and I can do the move. I'm doing it now. If I need help, I scream here. :) Regards, Renata Marques -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
HI Rui Le 2011-06-16 10:07, Rui a écrit : Le 2011-06-15 18:00, Rui a écrit : Hi folks! I'm sending this quick so I can rush out and see the moon eclipse... =D As we have the profile @revistabroo on Twitter and Identi.ca for the Brazilian magazine, I think it would be interesting to have an international profile for the magazine, if not already. What do you think? Rui Ogawa Hi Rui Hi Marc, Nice, you get to see the eclipse! We don't get to see it in Canada (I am in Canada). ;-( Re: Twitter and identi.ca. Maybe we should get the magazine structured a little before we get that far. I agree... I am hoping that if we can organize the magazine really well, that we will be able to attract more people to the magazine project to help out. From the look of the Revista magazine masthead you have quite a few people working on the production of the Brasilian magazine. I think we should start a recruitment again, inviting more people to participate in the production process of the magazine. There are many people who know the magazine is willing to cooperate but do not know how to begin. Is our duty to invite them and show them step by step. Once we have completed the wiki structure we could start recruiting, yes, I agree. Do you get a lot of feedback from these two accounts? Is there someone in charge who monitors these accounts? How does the PT-BR Revista use these two accounts? I am just wondering how you use the information. Well, I'll stick more to twitter, which is more popular in Brazil. Currently we have 612 followers and we follow 132 profiles. At the moment I am responsible for these profiles, replicating the calls of articles in the magazine and the news of libreoffice, odf, etc. that appear on the Internet. Would not be correct to say that there is someone monitoring the profiles. For example, if someone asks a question, comment or suggestion directly (not a RT), they will not have an answer or feedback. I think the ideal would be to provide this feedback, but it would be necessary to have more people helping to monitor the profiles. Regards, Thanks for that information. It sounds like you get a lot of feedback. That is great. Maybe you could show us how to do this once we have completed the wiki structure and once we know for sure that the international version of LibreOffice Magazine is working. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:39 AM, Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/14 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com The only problem I had with the BrOffice online magazine was there was no English Translation. Maybe if the idea of an International LibreOffice online magazine was in several of the common languages, like English, French, German, Spanish, etc., besides Brazil's Portuguese THEN it would be more International than what BrOffice's publication was. Some time ago this was discussed in this list. Many people suggested that a multilanguage magazine would be difficult and could not include relevant contents to all countries, ethinics and so on. My personal point of view is: LibreOffice could publish a generic magazine, in english, with content from all over the world. People from specific locations could use the example to produce local magazines. I would love to see a publication, in many languages, that showcased LibreOffice world wide. Have news about what countries and multinational companies are moving away from MSO and towards LibreOffice. Here in Brazil, we thought about an international magazine. We have made a little try when we published an English version for OO International Meeting in 2010. Some of you may have seen it. Maybe with such a publication, in many languages, some organizations, governments, etc., etc., would look at LibreOffice as a more serious player in the office suite market, let alone the Open Source's office suite market. I still have the dream to make it happen. Maybe Klaibson and some other people, including those from BrOffice Magazine (sorry, but we couldn't change its name yet), can join forces and try to make it come true. maybe some people from other countries could help too ;-) I think it's a great idea to have a LibreOffice magazine, created using LibreOffice. There are smaller FLOSS communities that manage to use XeLaTex (!) effectively to create shiny magazines, so this should be doable. For marketing purposes, it would be nice to make available the source of the magazine along with the PDF version. The users would be confident that they can create a quality magazine of their own. For the possible localisation of the magazine, it's up to each LibreOffice localisation team to take up the task. Ideally, the translatable text in the magazine document would be marked with a certain paragraph style, and then the text would be extracted in PO files suitable for translation. Then, once the PO files are translated, the reverse process would create back the localised magazine. 1. Is there a template from the BrOffice Magazine that can be re-used? 2. At least we need a. to place a Call for articles, and 2. a person that will put the articles together to create the magazine. Simos -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
2011/6/15 Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com snip I think it's a great idea to have a LibreOffice magazine, created using LibreOffice. =) We have done that for a long time already. Texts are made in Writer. Design is made in Draw. Only a few details, like image editing, are made in Gimp. There are smaller FLOSS communities that manage to use XeLaTex (!) effectively to create shiny magazines, so this should be doable. For marketing purposes, it would be nice to make available the source of the magazine along with the PDF version. The users would be confident that they can create a quality magazine of their own. All sources (ODF and ODG files) are available in the wiki. You can check out for files contained in cathegory Revista and PT-BR. Unfortunately (and I personally don't agree with that), there are no references to the sources of the older contents. For the possible localisation of the magazine, it's up to each LibreOffice localisation team to take up the task. Ideally, the translatable text in the magazine document would be marked with a certain paragraph style, and then the text would be extracted in PO files suitable for translation. Then, once the PO files are translated, the reverse process would create back the localised magazine. That's a great idea! People from local communities could also choose what contents they would use in their local magazines. All contents would be available in one source. Our concern on that always was: Are there volunteers enough to do that? 1. Is there a template from the BrOffice Magazine that can be re-used? Yes. They are available (ODG format) at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Producao#Modelos_para_diagrama.C3.A7.C3.A3o 2. At least we need a. to place a Call for articles, and 2. a person that will put the articles together to create the magazine. We already have a magazine production process modelled in the wiki, and using revi...@pt-br.libreoffice.org mailing list. The process is described at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Guia Unfortunately, all those pages are in Portuguese, but, if necessary, we can translate it to English. Google Translate can also give you an idea ;-) Simos Cheers. -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
2011/6/15 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at Hi all, it seems that the relationship between the Brazilian project and the international community is really hard to understand. Indeed. I'm sure about that. But some people are trying to overcome those issues, instead feeding the fire, I think. I'll try to explain what caused this unconrtable situation right below. It is easy to get an impression that supports the personal (negative) thoughts and misgivings about the other side. I believe that none of the comments here have been meant in such a way. Well, in the beginning, Klaibson's proposal seemed extremely strange to us. First, because he is aware that there already is a brazilian magazine. Second, because he didn't discussed the idea with us before bringing it to international arena. Third, because recently he asked for other members from brazilian community to write texts, tutorials and articles to another magazine in Brazil, Espírito Livre, but we are facing some difficulties in doing the same to the BrOffice Magazine. We are not against people to write to any publication they want. Espírito Livre is a well known online magazine from Brazil and They are dedicating an entire issue to LibreOffice. That's really good, I think! Our concern was because Klaibson and other people in brazilian lists seemed to prefer giving more emphasis to a publication from outside, than the one made by the community. Sincerely, I think Klaibson could put his idea into discussion in brazilian lists before bringing it to marketing@. His move caused some paranoid reactions here, unfortunately. Back to the topic: I fully support the idea of informing the international community about local activities. And the BrOffice magazine is a really great task that has the chance to become the nucleus of an international magazine. They already translaetd some of their previous magazines to English and made it available for the international community. Thanks. But as always the restrictions for any volunteer work is time and people dedicated to a certain task. Yes, that's our concern. But our experience shows that it's not so difficult than it seems to be. The major difficulty must be joining volunteers from other parts of the world and building a publishing process easy for all. Dedication time will affect the necessary time to release each issue, but it can be solved with issues each two or three months, instead of monthly. In this case we would be gaining experience and cuting the edges for a future monthly magazine. The fact is: if we don't start something we will never do that. The Brazilian team is still too small to fulfill their own tasks in a time they want to, so they can't spend their resources on an international magazine. Again, yes. And that's why we couldn't understand why Klaibson prefered to take an isolated initiative, instead of talking to the BrOffice Magazine volunteers and join efforts. I really see the positive aspect of a magazine that might contain international parts (like how-tos, tips--tricks, success stories etc...) as well as a local part with topics only relevant to this area. A general available design, easy re-usable templates and our community branding might ease the possibilty for different local / localized magazines based on the same source. It would be nice, indeed. But as Italo already said: it is a huge task and needs long time dedication. If there is a group interested in working on such a topic, I'm sure the Brazilian team would help you with their knowledge - you might even re-use some of the work they created for the BrOffice magazine. We feel grateful for that. To be crysal clear: nobody at TDF is interested in centralized decisions on local activities (except the trademark issues, where we should have addressed our concerns in a way better to be understood for the Brazilian community). The Brazilian magazine is a very positive sign not only for LibreOffice in Brazil, but (as it shows, that it is possible to do such work in our community) for the international community too. It should never be replaced by anything else - but perhaps it is possible to create an international team based on their experiences. We really want to help on that. Thanks again for the opportunity. Best regards Bernhard Regards. -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Please, Don't forget that this page is not completed. :) Regards, Renata Marques 2011/6/15 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com On 06/15/2011 07:40 AM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote: 2011/6/15 Simos Xenitellissimos.li...@googlemail.com snip I think it's a great idea to have a LibreOffice magazine, created using LibreOffice. =) We have done that for a long time already. Texts are made in Writer. Design is made in Draw. Only a few details, like image editing, are made in Gimp. There are smaller FLOSS communities that manage to use XeLaTex (!) effectively to create shiny magazines, so this should be doable. For marketing purposes, it would be nice to make available the source of the magazine along with the PDF version. The users would be confident that they can create a quality magazine of their own. All sources (ODF and ODG files) are available in the wiki. You can check out for files contained in cathegory Revista and PT-BR. Unfortunately (and I personally don't agree with that), there are no references to the sources of the older contents. For the possible localisation of the magazine, it's up to each LibreOffice localisation team to take up the task. Ideally, the translatable text in the magazine document would be marked with a certain paragraph style, and then the text would be extracted in PO files suitable for translation. Then, once the PO files are translated, the reverse process would create back the localised magazine. That's a great idea! People from local communities could also choose what contents they would use in their local magazines. All contents would be available in one source. Our concern on that always was: Are there volunteers enough to do that? 1. Is there a template from the BrOffice Magazine that can be re-used? Yes. They are available (ODG format) at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Producao#Modelos_para_diagrama.C3.A7.C3.A3o 2. At least we need a. to place a Call for articles, and 2. a person that will put the articles together to create the magazine. We already have a magazine production process modelled in the wiki, and using revi...@pt-br.libreoffice.org mailing list. The process is described at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Guia Unfortunately, all those pages are in Portuguese, but, if necessary, we can translate it to English. Google Translate can also give you an idea ;-) Here is the translation for http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Guia; http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=enie=UTF8langpair=auto|enrurl=translate.google.comtbb=1u=http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Guiausg=ALkJrhhwbNX8m91UcIQoSe7DGIyWKDgUsA http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=enie=UTF8langpair=auto%7Cenrurl=translate.google.comtbb=1u=http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Guiausg=ALkJrhhwbNX8m91UcIQoSe7DGIyWKDgUsA --- http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Producao#Modelos_para_diagrama.C3.A7.C3.A3o http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=enie=UTF8langpair=auto|enrurl=translate.google.comtbb=1u=http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Producao%23Modelos_para_diagrama.C3.A7.C3.A3ousg=ALkJrhg-SJ4VgTjWZStgIqd-Vy0aXuuCcwhttp://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=enie=UTF8langpair=auto%7Cen%26rurl%3Dtranslate.google.com%26tbb%3D1%26u%3Dhttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Producao%23Modelos_para_diagrama.C3.A7.C3.A3ousg=ALkJrhg-SJ4VgTjWZStgIqd-Vy0aXuuCcw http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=enie=UTF8langpair=auto%7Cenrurl=translate.google.comtbb=1u=http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Producao%23Modelos_para_diagrama.C3.A7.C3.A3ousg=ALkJrhg-SJ4VgTjWZStgIqd-Vy0aXuuCcw Simos Cheers. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Le 2011-06-15 14:45, Clovis Tristão a écrit : Hi Folks, Great idea LibreOffice international magazine, letś go to work, but we have enough arms? Cheers, Clóvis Hi Clóvis Yes, this is what we are about to see. Some people talked about producing an international LibreOffice magazine. Now it is time for them to show how serious they are. Let's see if this will work. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Le 2011-06-15 14:06, Renata Marques a écrit : Hi Marc, Simos, all, I take a look in the wiki page and it looks good. I've added the lang bar in our wiki. Maybe the page should be moved too (something like marketing/magazine/pt-br, perhaps). I will resume the production flow of Revista BrOffice in a graphic then I share it here. This flow is something I would like to have done for a long time, but I always have put off. So now I'm doing that. However, the steps are described in this page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Guia Regards, Renata Olá Renata Thanks for doing this and especially working on the production flow. This will really help. Should the language bar show on all of the Revista wiki pages? I think the initial steps will be to get the pages translated into EN. Sorry I don't read Portuguese ... ahem ... although I do teach French in a primary school where 60-70% of the kids speak Portuguese. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
2011/6/15 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Le 2011-06-15 14:06, Renata Marques a écrit : Hi Marc, Simos, all, I take a look in the wiki page and it looks good. I've added the lang bar in our wiki. Maybe the page should be moved too (something like marketing/magazine/pt-br, perhaps). I will resume the production flow of Revista BrOffice in a graphic then I share it here. This flow is something I would like to have done for a long time, but I always have put off. So now I'm doing that. However, the steps are described in this page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista/Guia Regards, Renata Olá Renata Thanks for doing this and especially working on the production flow. This will really help. Should the language bar show on all of the Revista wiki pages? I think the initial steps will be to get the pages translated into EN. Sorry I don't read Portuguese ... ahem ... although I do teach French in a primary school where 60-70% of the kids speak Portuguese. I think we can do that. You will need to do a review in our translations, if you don't mind =) Cheers Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Hi Helio, all, Helio S. Ferreira schrieb: = Hi all, for the next issue will have a new layout and a new name, LibreOffice Magazine Brasil. This is really great news! I hope that LibreOffice will get the momentum BrOffice had in the past in Brazil. I'd like to see some kind of advertising for this magazine under it's new name. In my eyes the international community will applaud the Brazilian community for their work - perhaps in blog entries, perhaps in a official press release about the final switch from BrOffice.org to LibreOffice not only for the product, but for the magazine as well. Reading the discussion on the Apache list, there have been many people thinking of BrOffice as independent (forked) development from OpenOffice.org. I'd like to see this corrected, but I can't tell about the impact on the Brazilian community of such a press release. What do you think, Brazilians? Would such a press release be understood as positive reaction by the international community? It will be something like this: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Proposta_capaLibOMagazine01.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Proposta_capaLibOMagazine02.png This logo I like better. This the logo of magazine: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logotipo_revista_proposta_02.png If I understand it right, the magazine is a work of the Brazilian community. In my eyes it should be allowed to use the logo with TDF subline (if you want to use it, of course) describing it as official resource of the community. As the subline would interfere with the existing line Magazine Brazil I don't think that this would lead to a better visual design, but I wanted to share my opinion, that the magazine shows a tremendous work by the community in Brazil. Here's a sample of the new graphic design: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/e/ee/LibreOffice_Magazine_BR_Gramado.pdf http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/5/55/LibreOffice_Magazine_BR_AssinaturaDigital.pdf http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/3/3e/LibreOffice_Magazine_BR_ODF.pdf I like this design :-) Thanks for sharing! Best regards Bernhard PS: I know about the concerns inside the Brazilian community, but the work on this magazine is visible and probably took more than 3 months. If the creators would be interested in TDF membership, this would be an easy way to show the Membership committee what they have contributed. With one contact knowing about the amount of work by the single applicant (it doesn't need to be several hours a day or week - it just needs to be significant), it would be quite easy for the MC to approve these applications, I assume. And the more members of a team or local community join TDF as members, the better their community is represented inside the international community. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Hi. I´m following the conversation about an international magazine. My suggestion: Instead of making an international magazine now (for the reasons discussed as availability, etc.), who find a portal to international news? Initially we could have a website / portal (something like joomla, wordpress , etc) that looks like site and not wiki) where we put the news, tutorials, tips, etc. in each country? We could have initially categories of tutorials, tips, news, events for each of the countries want to have someone a user to enter content. I think that makes it easier by not having to layout and make it more dynamic. What do you think? Greats Eduardo Alexandre -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Le 2011-06-15 15:47, Paulo de Souza Lima a écrit : I think we can do that. You will need to do a review in our translations, if you don't mind =) That would be great! Thank you. I think it would be reasonable if we were to try to organize for a September or October issue maybe. It all depends on people helping out. The first page is in http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine. If you disagree the location, please, fell free to move it to somewhere else. Thanks for doing this. I'll take a look at it. Please see my note to Renata re: the placement of the page. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Le 2011-06-15 18:00, Rui a écrit : Hi folks! I'm sending this quick so I can rush out and see the moon eclipse... =D As we have the profile @revistabroo on Twitter and Identi.ca for the Brazilian magazine, I think it would be interesting to have an international profile for the magazine, if not already. What do you think? Rui Ogawa Hi Rui Nice, you get to see the eclipse! We don't get to see it in Canada (I am in Canada). ;-( Re: Twitter and identi.ca. Maybe we should get the magazine structured a little before we get that far. I am hoping that if we can organize the magazine really well, that we will be able to attract more people to the magazine project to help out. From the look of the Revista magazine masthead you have quite a few people working on the production of the Brasilian magazine. Do you get a lot of feedback from these two accounts? Is there someone in charge who monitors these accounts? How does the PT-BR Revista use these two accounts? I am just wondering how you use the information. Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
What? Oh my God! What did I miss? Something tells me there are more unspoken intentions behind this naive message. Rgs, Luiz Oliveira 2011/6/14 Klaibson Ribeiro klaib...@gmail.com Hi. I was thinking if we organize an Magazine on LibreOffice, with members of all communities the world? Good week. -- Klaibson Ribeiro Tel: (48) 9625-8273 www.creativesolucoes.com.br -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
On 6/14/11 11:31 PM, luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Something tells me there are more unspoken intentions behind this naive message. I simply consider a global magazine a difficult project, but I cannot see any unspoken intentions behind it. In my opinion, a free software project should have a generally positive attitude vs new proposals. Maybe, you should clarify which are your unspoken intentions, as your message is clearly hiding something. Best regards. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
I think that Luiz, like me, don't understand why here in Brazil we need an international magazine if we already have one. Regards, Renata Marques 2011/6/14 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On 6/14/11 11:31 PM, luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Something tells me there are more unspoken intentions behind this naive message. I simply consider a global magazine a difficult project, but I cannot see any unspoken intentions behind it. In my opinion, a free software project should have a generally positive attitude vs new proposals. Maybe, you should clarify which are your unspoken intentions, as your message is clearly hiding something. Best regards. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
On 6/15/11 12:20 AM, Renata Marques wrote: I think that Luiz, like me, don't understand why here in Brazil we need an international magazine if we already have one. If it is international, then it covers more than the Brazilian one, or might have a different angle. I do not understand, in this case, why one is better than two. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
2011/6/14 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On 6/15/11 12:20 AM, Renata Marques wrote: I think that Luiz, like me, don't understand why here in Brazil we need an international magazine if we already have one. If it is international, then it covers more than the Brazilian one, or might have a different angle. I do not understand, in this case, why one is better than two. *It isn't. But, as you said: a global magazine is a difficult project. Many hands are needed to do that and, we don't have hands enough for a local project, so we could wonder who will help that guy in that difficult project. * * * *Maybe it could be more helpfull consolidating brazilian local magazine and later begin to think about higher flights ;-)* * * *Cheers.* -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
I'll try to explain. Once again we are faced with an issue which is not applicable to the TDF and marketing list. This a internal question. Although I do not believe that TDF is so alienated. Did not take the death of BrOffice.org. That still leaves the death of the BrOffice magazine and any semblance of this ill-fated brand. I did not believe it would come back, but came back! I end my participation here this theme because I believe the list does not deserve this kind of discussion. Brazil, show your face .. Rgds, Luiz Oliveira 2011/6/14 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On 6/14/11 11:31 PM, luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Something tells me there are more unspoken intentions behind this naive message. I simply consider a global magazine a difficult project, but I cannot see any unspoken intentions behind it. In my opinion, a free software project should have a generally positive attitude vs new proposals. Maybe, you should clarify which are your unspoken intentions, as your message is clearly hiding something. Best regards. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Hi :) There is a lot of extreme emotion about this area. BrOffice seems to have been excellent for many years, gained a good reputation, good people and did great work. Inevitably any large community will have misunderstandings and different people heading in different directions but all believing they are doing the best for the whole community. Sometimes people are too enthusiastic and haven't noticed what already exists or how their ideas might already be being implemented. I think it's best to guide people into what is already going on so that they can channel their enthusiasm in a positive direction. The post that sparked this controversy was clearly not written in the person native language so the misunderstanding should be easier to clarify on Brazilian lists. Most of the good stuff about BrOffice seems to have merged into the wider community here at TDF in the LibreOffice community. It has enriched the wider community considerably. Most of the good people are here now, and the structures, websites, the passion and so on. It does still retain a unique identity even if the name has changed. It's influencing the wider community too now :) Regards from Tom :) From: luizh...@gmail.com luizh...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 15 June, 2011 0:53:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International. I'll try to explain. Once again we are faced with an issue which is not applicable to the TDF and marketing list. This a internal question. Although I do not believe that TDF is so alienated. Did not take the death of BrOffice.org. That still leaves the death of the BrOffice magazine and any semblance of this ill-fated brand. I did not believe it would come back, but came back! I end my participation here this theme because I believe the list does not deserve this kind of discussion. Brazil, show your face .. Rgds, Luiz Oliveira 2011/6/14 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On 6/14/11 11:31 PM, luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Something tells me there are more unspoken intentions behind this naive message. I simply consider a global magazine a difficult project, but I cannot see any unspoken intentions behind it. In my opinion, a free software project should have a generally positive attitude vs new proposals. Maybe, you should clarify which are your unspoken intentions, as your message is clearly hiding something. Best regards. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
Thanks Tom, for your lucid words. To understand the whole issue about BrOffice gate need much more than the arrogance of some leaders. Regards, Luiz Oliveira 2011/6/14 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) There is a lot of extreme emotion about this area. BrOffice seems to have been excellent for many years, gained a good reputation, good people and did great work. Inevitably any large community will have misunderstandings and different people heading in different directions but all believing they are doing the best for the whole community. Sometimes people are too enthusiastic and haven't noticed what already exists or how their ideas might already be being implemented. I think it's best to guide people into what is already going on so that they can channel their enthusiasm in a positive direction. The post that sparked this controversy was clearly not written in the person native language so the misunderstanding should be easier to clarify on Brazilian lists. Most of the good stuff about BrOffice seems to have merged into the wider community here at TDF in the LibreOffice community. It has enriched the wider community considerably. Most of the good people are here now, and the structures, websites, the passion and so on. It does still retain a unique identity even if the name has changed. It's influencing the wider community too now :) Regards from Tom :) From: luizh...@gmail.com luizh...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 15 June, 2011 0:53:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International. I'll try to explain. Once again we are faced with an issue which is not applicable to the TDF and marketing list. This a internal question. Although I do not believe that TDF is so alienated. Did not take the death of BrOffice.org. That still leaves the death of the BrOffice magazine and any semblance of this ill-fated brand. I did not believe it would come back, but came back! I end my participation here this theme because I believe the list does not deserve this kind of discussion. Brazil, show your face .. Rgds, Luiz Oliveira 2011/6/14 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On 6/14/11 11:31 PM, luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Something tells me there are more unspoken intentions behind this naive message. I simply consider a global magazine a difficult project, but I cannot see any unspoken intentions behind it. In my opinion, a free software project should have a generally positive attitude vs new proposals. Maybe, you should clarify which are your unspoken intentions, as your message is clearly hiding something. Best regards. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
The only problem I had with the BrOffice online magazine was there was no English Translation. Maybe if the idea of an International LibreOffice online magazine was in several of the common languages, like English, French, German, Spanish, etc., besides Brazil's Portuguese THEN it would be more International than what BrOffice's publication was. I would love to see a publication, in many languages, that showcased LibreOffice world wide. Have news about what countries and multinational companies are moving away from MSO and towards LibreOffice. Maybe with such a publication, in many languages, some organizations, governments, etc., etc., would look at LibreOffice as a more serious player in the office suite market, let alone the Open Source's office suite market. On 06/14/2011 08:42 PM, luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tom, for your lucid words. To understand the whole issue about BrOffice gate need much more than the arrogance of some leaders. Regards, Luiz Oliveira 2011/6/14 Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) There is a lot of extreme emotion about this area. BrOffice seems to have been excellent for many years, gained a good reputation, good people and did great work. Inevitably any large community will have misunderstandings and different people heading in different directions but all believing they are doing the best for the whole community. Sometimes people are too enthusiastic and haven't noticed what already exists or how their ideas might already be being implemented. I think it's best to guide people into what is already going on so that they can channel their enthusiasm in a positive direction. The post that sparked this controversy was clearly not written in the person native language so the misunderstanding should be easier to clarify on Brazilian lists. Most of the good stuff about BrOffice seems to have merged into the wider community here at TDF in the LibreOffice community. It has enriched the wider community considerably. Most of the good people are here now, and the structures, websites, the passion and so on. It does still retain a unique identity even if the name has changed. It's influencing the wider community too now :) Regards from Tom :) From: luizh...@gmail.comluizh...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 15 June, 2011 0:53:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International. I'll try to explain. Once again we are faced with an issue which is not applicable to the TDF and marketing list. This a internal question. Although I do not believe that TDF is so alienated. Did not take the death of BrOffice.org. That still leaves the death of the BrOffice magazine and any semblance of this ill-fated brand. I did not believe it would come back, but came back! I end my participation here this theme because I believe the list does not deserve this kind of discussion. Brazil, show your face .. Rgds, Luiz Oliveira 2011/6/14 Italo Vignoliitalo.vign...@gmail.com On 6/14/11 11:31 PM, luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Something tells me there are more unspoken intentions behind this naive message. I simply consider a global magazine a difficult project, but I cannot see any unspoken intentions behind it. In my opinion, a free software project should have a generally positive attitude vs new proposals. Maybe, you should clarify which are your unspoken intentions, as your message is clearly hiding something. Best regards. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Magazine LibreOffice International.
2011/6/14 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com The only problem I had with the BrOffice online magazine was there was no English Translation. Maybe if the idea of an International LibreOffice online magazine was in several of the common languages, like English, French, German, Spanish, etc., besides Brazil's Portuguese THEN it would be more International than what BrOffice's publication was. Some time ago this was discussed in this list. Many people suggested that a multilanguage magazine would be difficult and could not include relevant contents to all countries, ethinics and so on. My personal point of view is: LibreOffice could publish a generic magazine, in english, with content from all over the world. People from specific locations could use the example to produce local magazines. I would love to see a publication, in many languages, that showcased LibreOffice world wide. Have news about what countries and multinational companies are moving away from MSO and towards LibreOffice. Here in Brazil, we thought about an international magazine. We have made a little try when we published an English version for OO International Meeting in 2010. Some of you may have seen it. Maybe with such a publication, in many languages, some organizations, governments, etc., etc., would look at LibreOffice as a more serious player in the office suite market, let alone the Open Source's office suite market. I still have the dream to make it happen. Maybe Klaibson and some other people, including those from BrOffice Magazine (sorry, but we couldn't change its name yet), can join forces and try to make it come true. maybe some people from other countries could help too ;-) Cheers -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
