Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Statement from Multiple Organizations on Christopher Bollyn Event at the Brooklyn Commons | The Brooklyn Institute for Social Research

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This is a very short-sighted dismissal of the struggle against
anti-Semitism that is necessary wherever it raises its vile and reactionary
head. Bollyn doesn't talk about the easter bunny or the Illuminati it is
clear anti-Semitism with a sometime flimsy fig-leaf of anti-Zionism. The
organisations that have denounced the use of their space for the spouting
of his views have done something necessary and central to their work.

Anti-Semitism is never a silly affair and those who have stood against it
are to be congratulated if the Jew School guy has written what AGR says he
has then  he should also be condemned . Unfortunately AGR doesn't give us
any links to that apart from rather airily informing us that he has dealt
with all of that on another forum

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> It's kind of sad that they are expected to clear their names like
> this. Obviously it is not worth their time to have to deal with mud slung
> at them for hosting their orgs in the same physical location that this loon
> is speaking in, given that they don't share his worldview. So
> disassociation is perfectly appropriate.
>
> But the people making an issue out of Bollyn are worse. As I pointed out on
> another forum, the guy who wrote the article sounding the alarm about
> Bollyn (Daniel Sieradski / "Jewschool") holds genocidal views about
> Palestinians, arguing that their return to present-day Israel would be
> "demographic suicide" (compare white supremacists who believe non-whites in
> America are a source of "white genocide").
>
> He has doubled down on those views in recent times, chastising the BDS
> Movement for rejecting Israel in an op-ed in the NYT, citing his close
> familial ties with the Jewish settler population (the ones at risk of
> commiting "demographic suicide," I suppose). He was also one of the trolls
> attempting to rationalize the cancellation of the Nakba Tour at Stanford.
>
> His article itself repeats the smears of the Left as a bastion of
> anti-Semitism, a canard that traces back decades, and attempts to portray
> Jews in America and Israel as simply another minority group, with no actual
> engagement of Jewish history and the dramatic rise of Jewish people in the
> 70s in the US (to say nothing of their colonial conquest in Palestine).
> Seeing Jews as perpetual victims, he has whitewashed all but the most
> violent abuses Israel has carried out. Compare white liberals who defended
> segregation but were appauled by the fire hoses and dogs.
>
> Had he not sounded the alarm, it would just be another irrelevant crank
> showing up at a small venue, a staple of the Left. Now everyone else who
> works there has to go out of their way to remind the public that they are
> not, in fact, Nazis or 9/11 conspiracists.
>
> Also note that Jewschool's primary objection to Bollyn was that his
> allegations about 9/11 were directed at "Zionists" and "neocons". Perhaps
> if Bollyn had blamed the Easter Bunny or the Illuminati, Jewschool would
> feel more at ease?
>
> A very silly affair.
>
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[Marxism] Vale Richard Neville

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The death of Richard Neville at the age of 74 shows the slipping away of a
generation of political/counter-cultural radicals. I had a chat with him at
an anti-APEC conference in Sydney in the dying days of the Howard
government in Australia. His politics-if anything had seemed to sharpen as
he grew older.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/04/richard-neville-obituary
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Re: [Marxism] FYI - I suspect a lot of other Syrians feel the same way

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Note from my neighbor "Please excuse me for being such a bitch yesterday..."

bitch

 (bĭch)
n.
1. A female canine animal, especially a dog.
2. Offensive A woman considered to be mean, overbearing, or contemptible.
3. Vulgar Slang
a. A prostitute considered in relation to a pimp.
b. A person in a subservient sexual role, especially an incarcerated male
who provides sex to another male under threat of violence or in exchange
for protection.
c. A person who is submissive to another, usually by performing menial or
unpleasant tasks.
d. A man considered to be weak or contemptible.
4. Slang A complaint.
5. Slang Something very unpleasant or difficult: Fixing the faucet turned
out to be a bitch.

Use of this word as a term demeaning to women may be enough to get you
kicked out of the SWP but NEWSFLASH Louis, it is widely used in many
sections of the working class not well schooled in university Left
etiquette that otherwise may be politically quite advanced. I have been
working to win Robin to a Marxist view of the revolutionary struggle he has
been playing a leading role in so I don't plan unfriending him anytime soon.
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/09/why-i-remain-marxist.html
 And frankly, if you unfriend every working class or non-white person who
uses what you consider to be offensive language you will greatly limit the
scope of your influence.

Consider, that while in your world its quite unacceptable to call a woman a
bitch, it is entirely acceptable to support a presidential candidate that
backs a regime that uses rape as a weapon of war and live rats stuffed in
women's vaginas as a method torture and has the self-servicing arrogance
and meanness of spirit to greet the world on Mother's Day with this tweet
about another woman: "I agree w/ Hillary, it's time to elect a woman for
President. But I want that President to reflect the values of being a
mother. #MothersDay." [
https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/729351428720988161 - now deleted.]

At least you didn't unfriend Robin for the same reason you left the
critical-syria list, which had nothing to do with bad language. I think it
was because you couldn't tolerate the criticism of Stein on that list.

So Robin Yassin-Kassab called Jill Stein a bitch on your fb wall. What do
you want me to do? Write an angry letter to Leila asking how she can work
with a man like that? Burn my copy of Burning Country? That's sounds funny
to say. Want to organize a Burning Country book burning party to protest
Robin's calling Stein a bitch?

But what has that got to do with me? He didn't call Stein a bitch in the
tweet I forwarded to the list, did he? Is it that now anything from Robin
is embargoed because he call Stein a bitch twice? Maybe you should look
upon this tweet as a positive response to your critique. After all, he
didn't call her a bitch this time. True he still has an intense dislike for
her but you have to expect that from a Syria revolutionary.

As far as my forwarding it to the list FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I should have
done that even if he called her a bitch. You don't want to hear what people
are saying about Jill Stein if its offensive? Okay, but maybe other people
do. Unvarnished information is critical to revolutionary development.

Regards,

Clay


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> Clay, I had to defriend Robin Yassin-Kassab because after he called Stein
> a "bitch" on my FB timeline, I told him that I can't accept women being
> referred to that way. He then doubled down and called her a bitch again. I
> don't know what part of the left you were involved in the 60s but I was
> around women in the SWP who would have filed charges against any male
> comrade using words like that and they would likely have been expelled. Now
> you forward Robin's twitter about Stein being a "piece of shit". I happen
> to have a lot of respect for both you and Robin but it is wrong for him to
> use such language and wrong for you to forward it. You talk a lot about
> racism on the Marxism list, don't you? Don't forget that sexism is also a
> way of dividing the working class.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Statement from Multiple Organizations on Christopher Bollyn Event at the Brooklyn Commons | The Brooklyn Institute for Social Research

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It's kind of sad that they are expected to clear their names like
this. Obviously it is not worth their time to have to deal with mud slung
at them for hosting their orgs in the same physical location that this loon
is speaking in, given that they don't share his worldview. So
disassociation is perfectly appropriate.

But the people making an issue out of Bollyn are worse. As I pointed out on
another forum, the guy who wrote the article sounding the alarm about
Bollyn (Daniel Sieradski / "Jewschool") holds genocidal views about
Palestinians, arguing that their return to present-day Israel would be
"demographic suicide" (compare white supremacists who believe non-whites in
America are a source of "white genocide").

He has doubled down on those views in recent times, chastising the BDS
Movement for rejecting Israel in an op-ed in the NYT, citing his close
familial ties with the Jewish settler population (the ones at risk of
commiting "demographic suicide," I suppose). He was also one of the trolls
attempting to rationalize the cancellation of the Nakba Tour at Stanford.

His article itself repeats the smears of the Left as a bastion of
anti-Semitism, a canard that traces back decades, and attempts to portray
Jews in America and Israel as simply another minority group, with no actual
engagement of Jewish history and the dramatic rise of Jewish people in the
70s in the US (to say nothing of their colonial conquest in Palestine).
Seeing Jews as perpetual victims, he has whitewashed all but the most
violent abuses Israel has carried out. Compare white liberals who defended
segregation but were appauled by the fire hoses and dogs.

Had he not sounded the alarm, it would just be another irrelevant crank
showing up at a small venue, a staple of the Left. Now everyone else who
works there has to go out of their way to remind the public that they are
not, in fact, Nazis or 9/11 conspiracists.

Also note that Jewschool's primary objection to Bollyn was that his
allegations about 9/11 were directed at "Zionists" and "neocons". Perhaps
if Bollyn had blamed the Easter Bunny or the Illuminati, Jewschool would
feel more at ease?

A very silly affair.


-- 
- Amith
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[Marxism] on Clinton and Kissinger

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Take a look at this sentence.

*Hillary Clinton courts **Henry Kissinger's endorsement even after meeting
his victims.*

What is wrong with it?  The answer is in the word "even".  This is the
wrong word in that it creates false meanings. It disguises Clinton's
motivations and leads one to miss the truth of her. To understand Hilary
Clinton one needs to rewrite the sentence as

*Hilary Clinton courts Henry Kissinger's endorsement especially after
meeting his victims.*

The second sentence lays bare the causality of the meeting.  Clinton seeks
out Kissinger precisely *because* of his record of using power as
exploitation, oppression and domination.  Seeing the victims motivates
Clinton to go and kneel at the altar of power as imperialism and to worship
at the feet  of one of its high priests. Kissinger, himself, has long
worshiped at the 'slaughter bench of history' as Hegel called it.  And our
Hilary is an  acolyte ever eager to learn from the master.

To talk of "even" suggests a mystery, a puzzle.  How could she want to see
Kissinger? But there there is no mystery in her seeking out Kissinger.  There
is no mystery, only a scandal.

For Hilary the victims are like sign posts showing her where to go and what
to do.

comradely

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[Marxism] Fwd: Statement from Multiple Organizations on Christopher Bollyn Event at the Brooklyn Commons | The Brooklyn Institute for Social Research

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Statement from Multiple Organizations on Christopher Bollyn Event at the 
Brooklyn Commons
As organizations that work out of the Brooklyn Commons, we reject the 
antisemitic politics of Christopher Bollyn. We do not have any say in 
event booking and management at the Commons but agree that such politics 
should have no place in leftist spaces.


Signed:

Ajay Singh Chaudhary (Brooklyn Institute for Social Research)

Bhaskar Sunkara (Jacobin Magazine)

Michael Lardner (Marxist Education Project)

John Tarleton (The Indypendent)

https://thebrooklyninstitute.com/2016/09/04/statement-from-multiple-organizations-on-christopher-bollyn-event-at-the-brooklyn-commons/
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Re: [Marxism] FYI - I suspect a lot of other Syrians feel the same way

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On 9/4/16 12:37 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:


Clearly the Green Party has its work cut out for itself in building
international solidarity with the Syrian Revolutionary.

I think the same can be said about building solidarity with non-white
revolutionaries generally.

https://twitter.com/Qunfuz1/status/772413151883227136


Clay, I had to defriend Robin Yassin-Kassab because after he called 
Stein a "bitch" on my FB timeline, I told him that I can't accept women 
being referred to that way. He then doubled down and called her a bitch 
again. I don't know what part of the left you were involved in the 60s 
but I was around women in the SWP who would have filed charges against 
any male comrade using words like that and they would likely have been 
expelled. Now you forward Robin's twitter about Stein being a "piece of 
shit". I happen to have a lot of respect for both you and Robin but it 
is wrong for him to use such language and wrong for you to forward it. 
You talk a lot about racism on the Marxism list, don't you? Don't forget 
that sexism is also a way of dividing the working class.

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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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That's a very real possibility.

We could even see a platform with both Clintons, both Bushes and Obama
carrying a big "Mission Accomplished" banner . . . .


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> Ex-Presidents Bush endorse Clinton, a move that will likely be trumpeted
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>> miscellaneous war criminals and Grand Dragons endorsing Clinton.  We
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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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I am betting that before the end of October we will see one or both of 
the Ex-Presidents Bush endorse Clinton, a move that will likely be 
trumpeted with great fanfare and most certainly little effect in number 
of votes. SR


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I do hope someone's keeping track of all the Republican cabinet members,
miscellaneous war criminals and Grand Dragons endorsing Clinton.  We should
widely circulate the list a few days before the election.

ML





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Re: [Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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I do hope someone's keeping track of all the Republican cabinet members,
miscellaneous war criminals and Grand Dragons endorsing Clinton.  We should
widely circulate the list a few days before the election.

ML

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> to pick and choose which policies they support and which they oppose. If I
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[Marxism] seeking Henry Kissinger's endorsement

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When leftists endorse the "lesser evil" imperialist party, they don't get
to pick and choose which policies they support and which they oppose. If I
found myself endorsing Kissinger's protege, I'd drop out of politics.

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[Marxism] Tribal Dakota Pipeline Resistance the Start of Something Bigger

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http://tinyurl.com/h7ox8lu

The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe announced via its Facebook
page on Sept. 1 that 188 Tribes, or Native Nations, from
across the United States and Canada have declared their
support for the Lakota/Dakota Tribes' fight to stop the $3.8
billion Dakota Access Pipeline carrying heavy Bakken crude
oil from crossing the Missouri River and threatening the
sovereign nations' main water source. 

Protesters against the pipeline prefer to be called "water
protectors." Some even objected to a New York Times cover
article that claimed they were "Occupying the Prairie"-
since all of this land, even that north of the border of the
reservation was originally treaty territory.  Elders at the
camp released a response (We've Always "Occupied the
Prairie" and We're Not Going Anywhere) to the New York Times
that said, "We are Protectors not Protesters. Our camp is a
prayer, for our children, our elders and ancestors, and for
the creatures, and the land and habitat they depend on, who
cannot speak for themselves." 

On Wednesday, 38 "protectors" were arrested for nonviolent
protest of the Dakota Access Pipeline, eight in North Dakota
and 30 in Iowa. Iyuskin "Happy" American Horse, 26, a young
Lakota man among the arrestees, had chained himself to a
digging machine for six hours in an act of nonviolent civil
disobedience. 

This 1,168-mile pipeline extending across four states from
North Dakota to Illinois has sparked a prairie fire of
united Native American resistance not seen since Wounded
Knee, and a return of the Great Sioux Nation. This is the
first time since the 1876 Battle of the Little Bighorn that
all seven council fires have camped together.

Full: http://tinyurl.com/h7ox8lu


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[Marxism] Turkey, Rebels, Kurds & Assad in northern Syria: Contradictions in moves towards regional counterrevolutionary alliance

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Turkey, Rebels, Kurds & Assad in northern Syria: Contradictions in moves 
towards regional counterrevolutionary alliance

By Michael Karadjis

https://mkaradjis.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/turkey-rebels-kurds-assad-in-northern-syria-contradictions-in-moves-towards-regional-counterrevolutionary-alliance/

One week the United States rushed to the defence of its Kurdish allies, 
People’s Protection Units (YPG), when the Assad regime bombed them in 
Hasake; the following week many pro-YPG voices were accusing the same US 
of betrayal, for supporting Turkey’s intervention into Syria, with 5000 
Free Syrian Army (FSA) troops, to expel ISIS from the border town of 
Jarablus.


However, fickleness would not be a useful explanation of US behaviour. 
Rather, both events suggest that the outlines of a regional 
understanding on a reactionary solution to the Syrian crisis may be in 
the making. ..


. Like the US, both Russia and Iran appear to have greenlighted the 
Jarablus operation. While Russia has merely expressed “concern,” Iran 
initially remained “conspicuously silent,” while later suggesting that 
Turkey needs to move more quickly to complete its “anti-terrorist” 
actions in order to withdraw. Iranian sources have claimed that Turkey 
and Assad are coordinating through Iran.


While the Assad regime formally denounced a violation of its 
“sovereignty,” Turkey claims to have informed it beforehand, with the 
deputy prime minister noting that “we believe Damascus is also bothered 
by what was happening in and around Manbij. They recently hit PYD 
targets.” Yildarim also suggested that Damascus understands that the PYD 
“has started to become a threat.” In the midst of the Jarablus 
operation, Yildarim declared on September 2  “We have normalised our 
relations with Russia and Israel. Now, God willing, Turkey has taken a 
serious initiative to normalise relations with Egypt and Syria.”


However, the implication here that Assad may be secretly approving the 
Turkish operation, due to joint hostility to a Kurdish entity, has some 
holes in it. Most obviously, the fact that Turkey is working with his 
FSA, who are the very forces trying to overthrow his regime, regardless 
of his opposition to Kurdish autonomy. Furthermore, the US support for 
this operation also comes with a question mark (and not only because 
Turkey apparently acted unilaterally at the last moment and upstaged US 
plans to exercise more control over the operation). The entire basis of 
US support to any rebels to fight ISIS is the demand that they drop the 
fight against Assad – the ill-fated Division 30 in the north, the New 
Syrian Army in the southeast - while of course the SDF, the US’ favoured 
anti-ISIS force, mostly doesn't fight Assad by definition.


Thus Erdogan’s push for a “safe zone” in northern Syria last year met 
out-of-hand US rejection, because the Syrian rebel groups who Erdogan 
wanted to let control it would have used it as a base to fight the 
regime. US State Department spokesman Mark Toner stressed “we've been 
pretty clear from the podium and elsewhere saying there's no zone, no 
safe haven, we're not talking about that here,” insisting it could only 
support an “ISIS-free zone” but not any kind of safe zone and certainly 
not one patrolled by the rebels.


But something important changed in February this year. By bombing the 
YPG/SDF into Tal Rifaat and other Arab-populated northern Aleppo 
regions, Russia cut the rebels in the Azaz-Mare pocket off from Aleppo 
city and thus effectively cut them off from the front against Assad. So 
now even though they want to fight Assad, and none have made the pledge 
to drop that fight, effectively they can't. So backing them to take over 
the Jarablus-Azaz border strip became "safe" from the American point of 
view – and safer than previously from Assad’s view as well. How ironic 
that it was the YPG's own eviction of the rebels in Tal Rifaat that has 
enabled US support for the Turkish operation that has blocked the YPG’s 
“linking” scheme!


Then there is a final reason why Assad may be grudgingly approving of 
Turkey launching an FSA-led operation against ISIS in the north: it 
means fighters from Azaz-Mare and from Idlib moving to a more distant 
theatre rather than the key battleground of Aleppo. By early September, 
in the midst of the northern operation, the regime began a new 
determined attempt to re-impose the total siege that was broken several 
weeks ago in the truly magnificent operation by some 30 rebel groups 
working together. This again raises the theory popular among some 
pro-revolution circles: Assad allows Turkey to 

[Marxism] FYI - I suspect a lot of other Syrians feel the same way

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Clearly the Green Party has its work cut out for itself in building
international solidarity with the Syrian Revolutionary.

I think the same can be said about building solidarity with non-white
revolutionaries generally.

https://twitter.com/Qunfuz1/status/772413151883227136

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[Marxism] Fwd: Brooklyn Commons hosting antisemitic truther Christopher Bollyn · Jewschool

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https://jewschool.com/2016/09/77362/brooklyn-commons-hosting-antisemitic-truther-christopher-bollyn/

So a 9/11 conspiracy theorist and anti-Semite is being hosted by the 
same people who provide a space for Jacobin. The article linked above 
wonders why. My guess is that he is considered kosher by Brooklyn 
Commons because he has the "right" position on Syria.


Clearly, being an "anti-imperialist" compensates from all the other 
venom he is spewing:


Why is the U.S. Waging War in Syria?
by Christopher Bollyn

Why is the U.S. waging war in Syria? Why are U.S. troops in a country 
where the United States has no national interest? Who are we fighting 
for? Why is the U.S. training, funding, and arming rebel groups that are 
fighting to overthrow the democratically elected government of Syria?


http://bollyn.com/why-is-the-us-in-syria/
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Imperialism and Class in the Arab World by Max Ajl | Monthly Review

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between now and its posting (9/26) comrades should find time to read Adam
Hanieh's works, especially Lineages of Revolt, as a counter to Ajl's
perversion of political economy.

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> So the Assad apologist Max Ajl has a review of a new book by Ali Kadri
> that will appear in MR print and then online Sept. 26th:
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> "Perhaps nowhere does violence collapse the horizon as it does in the Arab
> world. Imperial wars have demolished the Libyan state and turned Syria into
> a charnel house."
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> http://monthlyreview.org/2016/09/01/imperialism-and-class-in
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> I am looking forward to reading this since in a 43 page article published
> in December 2012, Kadri wrote: "The Assad regime presided over a social
> class predisposed to grow into the dollar denominated money sphere and, as
> such, it became a structural and subordinate partner of US imperialism."
> Partner of US imperialism? Hmmm. That hardly squares with the sort of
> nonsense Ajl has written in the past.
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> http://technologygovernance.eu/files/main/2012122810463535.pdf
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[Marxism] Fwd: Imperialism and Class in the Arab World by Max Ajl | Monthly Review

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So the Assad apologist Max Ajl has a review of a new book by Ali Kadri 
that will appear in MR print and then online Sept. 26th:



"Perhaps nowhere does violence collapse the horizon as it does in the 
Arab world. Imperial wars have demolished the Libyan state and turned 
Syria into a charnel house."


http://monthlyreview.org/2016/09/01/imperialism-and-class-in-the-arab-world/


I am looking forward to reading this since in a 43 page article 
published in December 2012, Kadri wrote: "The Assad regime presided over 
a social class predisposed to grow into the dollar denominated money 
sphere and, as such, it became a structural and subordinate partner of 
US imperialism." Partner of US imperialism? Hmmm. That hardly squares 
with the sort of nonsense Ajl has written in the past.


http://technologygovernance.eu/files/main/2012122810463535.pdf

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[Marxism] Links embarks on two new projects

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*Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal*  has
launched the first of two important collaborative projects that will be of
much interest to left activists and scholars internationally.

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/62599
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