Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Nader: Trump is a Freeloading, Pontificating Empty Suit Who Has Cheated on Everything He's Done | Democracy Now!

2016-09-24 Thread Mark Lause via Marxism 
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"By any means profitable . . . "
Hillary X

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> Nader: "I will never vote for someone who is going to engage in illegal
> armed force, unconstitutional killing of innocent people, selling
> Washington to Wall Street and driving our country into the ground, all the
> time sugarcoating the American people on TV with rhetoric."
>
> He has that about right, except that he doesn't mention the two
> candidates' weak or non-existent positions on the most important issues
> facing us, the collapsing environment, and spelling out what "selling
> Washington to Wall Street" really means, in terms of the rapacious use of
> force to be used by mega-oligopolies whose only concern is concentration
> and centralization of capital and its unlimited expansion, truly by any
> means necessary including the complete destruction of civilization and the
> habitable planet. The deranged objective of capital is to subdue all
> opposition on the globe wherever it occurs and to pull everyone into line
> behind them. That is the inexorable recipe for saving capital, with its
> stagnant, flailing economy, increasing global joblessness and
> impoverishment, and its staggering indebtedness in the unimaginable
> trillions of dollars. Hillary Clinton no less than Donald Trump is in
> pursuit of those same objectives. Savage destruction becomes a virtual
> certainty on the present course, which is why at the least we use our
> ineffectual franchise to protest against what's happening to us, and in the
> absence of any effective organization of the rest of us to at least
> register by that sorry vote the extent of resistance, and some indication
> of our own potential power.
>
>
> And wtf does anyone think minorities, people of color, the poor and the
> rest of the people on the planet are going to get under the Democrats - or
> the Republicans - other than what they have been getting for years under
> those regimes and worse? What are they getting now? How safe is a Black
> person confined to the so-called informal economy and a life in prison now
> from a shooting death at the hands of police on American streets? How safe
> is an immigrant coming up from Central America, where NAFTA, CAFTA and US
> finance capital have destroyed their life chances in their home countries?
>
> What kind of hapless dream world do the Hillary advocates who purport to
> be on the left live in? And if they're not on the left, why don't they
> troll elsewhere?
>
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Nader: Trump is a Freeloading, Pontificating Empty Suit Who Has Cheated on Everything He's Done | Democracy Now!

2016-09-23 Thread Ralph Johansen via Marxism 

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Nader: "I will never vote for someone who is going to engage in illegal 
armed force, unconstitutional killing of innocent people, selling 
Washington to Wall Street and driving our country into the ground, all 
the time sugarcoating the American people on TV with rhetoric."


He has that about right, except that he doesn't mention the two 
candidates' weak or non-existent positions on the most important issues 
facing us, the collapsing environment, and spelling out what "selling 
Washington to Wall Street" really means, in terms of the rapacious use 
of force to be used by mega-oligopolies whose only concern is 
concentration and centralization of capital and its unlimited expansion, 
truly by any means necessary including the complete destruction of 
civilization and the habitable planet. The deranged objective of capital 
is to subdue all opposition on the globe wherever it occurs and to pull 
everyone into line behind them. That is the inexorable recipe for saving 
capital, with its stagnant, flailing economy, increasing global 
joblessness and impoverishment, and its staggering indebtedness in the 
unimaginable trillions of dollars. Hillary Clinton no less than Donald 
Trump is in pursuit of those same objectives. Savage destruction becomes 
a virtual certainty on the present course, which is why at the least we 
use our ineffectual franchise to protest against what's happening to us, 
and in the absence of any effective organization of the rest of us to at 
least register by that sorry vote the extent of resistance, and some 
indication of our own potential power.



And wtf does anyone think minorities, people of color, the poor and the 
rest of the people on the planet are going to get under the Democrats - 
or the Republicans - other than what they have been getting for years 
under those regimes and worse? What are they getting now? How safe is a 
Black person confined to the so-called informal economy and a life in 
prison now from a shooting death at the hands of police on American 
streets? How safe is an immigrant coming up from Central America, where 
NAFTA, CAFTA and US finance capital have destroyed their life chances in 
their home countries?


What kind of hapless dream world do the Hillary advocates who purport to 
be on the left live in? And if they're not on the left, why don't they 
troll elsewhere?




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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Nader: Trump is a Freeloading, Pontificating Empty Suit Who Has Cheated on Everything He's Done | Democracy Now!

2016-09-23 Thread Dennis Brasky via Marxism 
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Good one Mark!!

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Mark Lause via Marxism <
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> Yep, they're not at all like Hillary X . . .
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> > What is it with the white Left? How do thy manage to ignore the national
> > question.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Nader: Trump is a Freeloading, Pontificating Empty Suit Who Has Cheated on Everything He's Done | Democracy Now!

2016-09-23 Thread Mark Lause via Marxism 
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Yep, they're not at all like Hillary X . . .

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> What is it with the white Left? How do thy manage to ignore the national
> question.
>
> For example, in this interview, Amy asks Nader what Trump would do as
> president.
>
> Does he mention nat'l stop & frisk, a wall for Mexico, deporting
> undocumented workers, banning Muslims. None of this is mentioned but people
> who call him or Stein spoilers are bigots.
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> Unreal!  Clearly this is two white Leftists talking because no one else is
> so blind to the main question the election.
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> THIS IS THE MAIN PROBLEM IN THE WORLD TODAY. THE LEFT IS DOMINATED BY
> CHAUVINISTS.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Nader: Trump is a Freeloading, Pontificating Empty Suit Who Has Cheated on Everything He's Done | Democracy Now!

2016-09-23 Thread Clay Claiborne via Marxism 
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What is it with the white Left? How do thy manage to ignore the national
question.

For example, in this interview, Amy asks Nader what Trump would do as
president.

Does he mention nat'l stop & frisk, a wall for Mexico, deporting
undocumented workers, banning Muslims. None of this is mentioned but people
who call him or Stein spoilers are bigots.

Unreal!  Clearly this is two white Leftists talking because no one else is
so blind to the main question the election.

THIS IS THE MAIN PROBLEM IN THE WORLD TODAY. THE LEFT IS DOMINATED BY
CHAUVINISTS.

.

Clay Claiborne, Director
Vietnam: American Holocaust 
Linux Beach Productions
Venice, CA 90291
(310) 581-1536

Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 


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