Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-23 Thread Einde O'Callaghan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Shane Mage wrote: On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Einde O'Callaghan wrote: Louis

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-23 Thread Lüko Willms
] 1st international: Bakunin, although the guilty party, made a few prophetic remarks : about his own ideas: MArx's socialsim will inevitably bring about more control by the state, and those who were fighting for justice will discover that their ideals have been deliberately

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread Tom Cod
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, but wasn't the IWW an expression of the tendency in the workers movement

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread Tom Cod
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Here's the anarchists response to that as part of a 15 round Ali-Frazier slugfest

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread Louis Proyect
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Tom Cod wrote: Yes, but wasn't the IWW an expression of the tendency in the

Re: [Marxism] 1st International

2010-01-22 Thread Greg McDonald
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Tom Cod wrote: Yes, but wasn't the IWW an expression of the tendency in the

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread Louis Proyect
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Mark Lause wrote: So, too, what the key role we ascribe to a new kind of state

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Lause
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == You are correct on the self-criticism and we are in total agreement on its absence

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread farmela...@juno.com
to participate in bourgeois governments. Jim F. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Lause markala...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] 1st international Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:55:58 -0500 On the other hand, when anarchists do organize, they invariably run into the same sets of problems

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread S. Artesian
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Think history has clearly shown that never is the proper answer to when it makes

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread Tom Cod
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fair enough, no one I know here is going to disparage worthies like Fred Halstead

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread Shane Mage
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Einde O'Callaghan wrote: Louis Proyect wrote: At

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread S. Artesian
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Where was that? SDS we should not forget was very active in community organizing

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-22 Thread Mark Lause
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Like Sartesian, my memories of the SDS are fairly positive, though hardly warm and

Re: [Marxism] 1st international

2010-01-21 Thread Louis Proyect
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Mark Lause wrote: The most tragic real result has left much unsettled between