Re: [Marxism] Words (was 'Alexander Cockburn RIP'

2009-08-23 Thread Fred Feldman
Gregory A. Butler wrote: One of the great tragedies of our movement - and the great historic tragedy of Trotskyism - is that Trotsky's life was entrusted to the SWP (and alleged NKVD double agent George Hansen - who later allegedly became an FBI informant - was probably responsible for the NKVD

Re: [Marxism] Words (was 'Alexander Cockburn RIP')

2009-08-23 Thread Carrol Cox
waistli...@aol.com wrote: Actually, Max Schactm Who the hell are you quoting? Carrol YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at:

Re: [Marxism] Words (was 'Alexander Cockburn RIP'

2009-08-22 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Farmelant wrote: Perhaps, either you or Lou can do us the favor of explaining what you mean by scientism. Whenever, I hear people using that term (without explaining what they mean by it), I am tempted to reach for my revolver, which is quite inconvenient for me since I don't own one.

Re: [Marxism] Words (was 'Alexander Cockburn RIP'

2009-08-22 Thread Louis Proyect
I of course was referring to Deutscher's bio below. This is the sort of thing I had in mind. Trotsky's remarks on the Dnieper Dam are cited in Trotsky's bio: In the south the Dnieper runs its course through the wealthiest industrial lands; and it is wasting the prodigious weight of its

Re: [Marxism] Words (was 'Alexander Cockburn RIP'

2009-08-22 Thread Shane Mage
On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Louis Proyect wrote: Jim Farmelant wrote: Perhaps, either you or Lou can do us the favor of explaining what you mean by scientism. Whenever, I hear people using that term (without explaining what they mean by it), I am tempted to reach for my revolver, which

Re: [Marxism] Words (was 'Alexander Cockburn RIP')

2009-08-22 Thread gregoryabutler
David, Actually, Max Schactman WAS one of those out of touch New York intellectuals? I was referring to! The fact that the SWP had him in charge of their Negro Question work proves my point! The SWP was the source of Trotsky's half baked and incorrect information on the Negro Question

Re: [Marxism] Words (was 'Alexander Cockburn RIP'

2009-08-21 Thread Ernie Halfdram
Whatever other functions it may have, Shane, language is fundamentally a system of symbols that human beings use to request and impart information, among other things. Understood as such, how people accustom ourselves to use lexical items and grammatical constructions matters more to their

Re: [Marxism] Words (was 'Alexander Cockburn RIP'

2009-08-21 Thread Louis Proyect
Would eugenics have a legitimate place in a communust society? Jim F. I am afraid that Trotsky's musings on eugenics was the tip of the iceberg. There was far too much scientism in his writings and an insensitivity to ecological questions. Somebody (can't remember who) wrote a crude