[Marxism] WW2: interimperialist war to redivide the world

2009-09-20 Thread Lüko Willms
Paddy Apling (e.c.apl...@btinternet.com) wrote on 2009-09-19 at 18:53:34 in about Re: [Marxism] Query on British historiography: Strange to hide this pro-imperialist propaganda unter a Query of British historiography: From then on there could be no doubt that WWII was a just war, a war

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

2009-09-20 Thread Einde O'Callaghan
Lenin's Tomb wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Lüko Willms lueko.wil...@t-online.dewrote: The Partei Die Linke shows the way forward? Well, yes, back into bourgeois politics. Yeah, because the working masses have already *abandoned* bourgeois politics, and the Linke wants to

[Marxism] Request for info, sources on Cuba expert Samuel Farber

2009-09-20 Thread Fred Feldman
An organization I belong to is beginning a long overdue debate on Cuba. To a large extent the writings of Farber have had a free ride in this milieu and I would like to change that. I know that Louis Proyect's blog has carried a series of valuable analyses of Farber's factual unreliability and

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

2009-09-20 Thread Lenin's Tomb
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Einde O'Callaghan eind...@freenet.dewrote: I feel that both Richard and Lüko have an over-negative attitude to DIE LINKE. Ahem, ahem! It was *sarcasm*. -- Richard Seymour Writer and blogger Email: leninstombb...@googlemail.com Website:

[Marxism] Soviet art

2009-09-20 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, September 20, 2009 Visuals The Revolution Will Be Illustrated By STEVEN HELLER Early-20th-century artists and designers greatly admired Russian revolutionary posters and typography, and the art movements that sprang from the October Revolution: Constructivism, Suprematism and

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

2009-09-20 Thread Einde O'Callaghan
Lenin's Tomb wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Einde O'Callaghan eind...@freenet.dewrote: I feel that both Richard and Lüko have an over-negative attitude to DIE LINKE. Ahem, ahem! It was *sarcasm*. It must be living in Germany that does it - I'm obviously suffering from an

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

2009-09-20 Thread Reinold Janszoon
Lüko Willms wrote: Bhaskar Sunkara (bhaskar.sunk...@gmail.com) wrote on 2009-09-19 at 15:45:13 in about Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left: There is a militant minority in Die Linke that wants to build an oppositional movement and not be mere left-social

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

2009-09-20 Thread Jim Farmelant
Why do I keep receiving multiple copies of the same post? Jim Farmelant On So, 20 Sep 2009 10:32:05 +0200 (MES) =?iso-8859-1?q?L=FCko_Willms?= lueko.wil...@t-online.de writes: Bhaskar Sunkara (bhaskar.sunk...@gmail.com) wrote on 2009-09-19 at 15:45:13 in about Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die

Re: [Marxism] WW2: interimperialist war to redivide the world

2009-09-20 Thread nada
I think it's far more complicated that what Paddy or Lüko think. I think Paddy is more wrong than Lüko on this in that regardless of how one feels about British entry into the war in 1939, or it's aid or not to anti-fascist struggles. WWII was first and foremost an attack by Fascism against

Re: [Marxism] WW2: interimperialist war to redivide the world

2009-09-20 Thread Louis Proyect
nada wrote: I think it's far more complicated that what Paddy or Lüko think. I think Paddy is more wrong than Lüko on this in that regardless of how one feels about British entry into the war in 1939, or it's aid or not to anti-fascist struggles. WWII was first and foremost an attack by

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

2009-09-20 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/783/oskarlafontaine.php Oskar Lafontaine: ‘We want to govern’ The results for the German left party Die Linke in the August 30 regional elections are impressive, particularly the 21.3% achieved in the federal state of Saarland. But is this the beginning of the end for

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

2009-09-20 Thread brad bauerly
I don't think it really is as simple as either Luko or Einde (sp?) make it out to be. Some places where Die Linke have entered coalitions with the SPD do show both the limits to electoral politics and the necessity to meet the people were they are at to squeeze out even the slightest of gains for

Re: [Marxism] Blog Post: A Dirty Little Secret in Boulder, CO, with readers' responses.

2009-09-20 Thread S. Artesian
Never underestimate the vicious venality of the USA. - Original Message - From: MICHAEL YATES mikedjya...@msn.com To: David Schanoes sartes...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: [Marxism] Blog Post: A Dirty Little Secret in Boulder, CO, with readers'

Re: [Marxism] political economy-- errata

2009-09-20 Thread Michael Perelman
I hope that my second part will conform to Michael L's ideas. Michael's absence will be a great disappointment. Spending time with him was one of the most attractive parts of the conference. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel.

Re: [Marxism] political economy-- errata

2009-09-20 Thread Mehmet Cagatay
michael a. lebowitz wrote: the political economy of the working class [of which Marx spoke favourably ... Mr. Lebowitz is obviously referring to Marx's Inaugural Address for the International Working Men's Association. In his talk, Marx employs the phrase the political economy of the working

[Marxism] WW2: interimperialist war to redivide the world,

2009-09-20 Thread nada
Louis wrote: But it was also a war in the Pacific without any discernible *class* differences between Japanese and American imperialism. It does not matter if Filipinos welcomed in American troops. That is not our criterion for deciding whether a war is progressive or not. True. But, I noted

Re: [Marxism] WW2: interimperialist war to redivide the world,

2009-09-20 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky
I am not privy to the details of the history of the Phillipines. But a few things I know. I know that the Phillipino patriots of the late XIX century suffered, at the hands of the American Liberators, the same treatment their Cuban counterparts had to endure. Afterwards, some have criminalized

Re: [Marxism] WW2: interimperialist war to redivide the world,

2009-09-20 Thread Shane Mage
On Sep 20, 2009, at 5:10 PM, nada wrote: Would it have been correct for socialists or internationalists to demand US Out of the Philippines??? Of course it would. By the time that swine MacArthur returned the Japanese had long been strategically defeated and were in a lost endgame.

Re: [Marxism] WW2: interimperialist war to redivide the world

2009-09-20 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky
I think that, in a general perspective, both Lüko and DWalters are right. Because whoever won the dispute over the redistribution would herald the war against the Soviet Union. Both things were the same thing. 2009/9/20 Lüko Willms lueko.wil...@t-online.de: nada (dwalters...@gmail.com) wrote on

Re: [Marxism] Germany's Die Linke shows the way for the left

2009-09-20 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
What about the Antikapitalistische Linke and the other opposition groups. I may be wrong, but I heard they form a fairly sizeable minority within the party. YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to:

Re: [Marxism] WW2: interimperialist war to redivide the world

2009-09-20 Thread S. Artesian
Geez, I find myself in substantial agreement with Lueko. - Original Message - From: Lüko Willms lueko.wil...@t-online.de To: David Schanoes sartes...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 6:00 PM YOU MUST clip all extraneous

[Marxism] Swans Release: September 21, 2009

2009-09-20 Thread Louis Proyect
Swans Commentary http://www.swans.com/ September 21, 2009 If you read Swans and appreciate the quality of its content please support us Financially. Thank you. http://www.swans.com/about/donate.html $ $ $ $ $ Note from the Editors: Want to cut

Re: [Marxism] political economy-- errata

2009-09-20 Thread S. Artesian
Hey, I got that reversed-- the diggers were the communists, the levellers were the political economists. Oh well, it's the thought that counts. - Original Message - From: S. Artesian sartes...@earthlink.net To: David Schanoes sartes...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009

Re: [Marxism] WW2: interimperialist war to redivide the world,

2009-09-20 Thread nada
Shane (and Nestor), I wasn't talking about 1945. I was talking about 1942, 43 and 44. US involvement (or anyones involvement) wasn't a mechanical placement of troops or reoccupation. No US Aid to the Philippines (no one raised this in any event, it would of been stupid) I asked because the US

Re: [Marxism] Food imperialism: Norman Borlaug and the Green Revolution

2009-09-20 Thread Michael Perelman
In January 1975, I was invited to debate Norman Borlaug at Santa Barbara Community College. Because of his fame, it was scheduled for a very large auditorium. For some reason, he did not or could not show up, but participated via some video hookup on a movie screen. I attacked the Green

Re: [Marxism] WW2: interimperialist war to redivide the world,

2009-09-20 Thread Shane Mage
On Sep 20, 2009, at 7:54 PM, nada wrote: Shane (and Nestor), I wasn't talking about 1945. I was talking about 1942, 43 and 44. After Coral Sea and Midway Japan had strategically lost, just as the Germans had strategically lost after Stalingrad. The US occupation of the Philippines was part

[Marxism] Here is the Marx section

2009-09-20 Thread michael perelman
Here is the Marx section. Again, this is quick, so any help would be appreciated. Read more at: http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/political-economy-for-the-21st-century-marx/turkey-2/ -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 530 898

[Marxism] Here is the correct link: sorry

2009-09-20 Thread michael perelman
Here is the correct link Sorry http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/political-economy-for-the-21st-century-marx/turkey-2-2/ -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 530 898 5321 fax 530 898 5901 http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com

Re: [Marxism] Here is the Marx section

2009-09-20 Thread S. Artesian
typos: Page 2: Henry Adams, son and grandson of presidents [not presence] Page 2: The objective... to keep Britain from siding with the Confederacy [not the United States]. - Original Message - From: Michael Perelman mich...@ecst.csuchico.edu To: David Schanoes

Re: [Marxism] Here is the correct link: sorry

2009-09-20 Thread S. Artesian
Disagree with your interpretation that the workers [of Britain] had an immediate interest in supporting the Confederacy-- as the cotton from the South meant employment in textile mills. What distinguishes Marxist analysis from political economy is not politics vs. economy, or politics over

[Marxism-Thaxis] U.S. May Not Recognize Results of Honduran Vote

2009-09-20 Thread c b
I missed this when it came out. CB U.S. May Not Recognize Results of Honduran Vote By Mary Beth Sheridan Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, September 4, 2009 The U.S. government on Thursday toughened its stance against Honduras's coup leaders and supporters, threatening to put them in a