Re: [Marxism] Voting with feet, not commendable in Argentina Re: China'shigh speed rail plans

2009-09-07 Thread Tom Cod
What about the ERP? Wikipedia has an article on them that I think includes links to YouTube stuff on them in Spanish. they were at the heart of a heated faction fight within the trotskyist movement back in the 70s even though had summarily split from that at the time. While they were

Re: [Marxism] Voting with feet, not commendable in Argentina Re: China'shigh speed rail plans

2009-09-07 Thread Tom Cod
Yes, they openly and contemptuously repudiated trotskyism in favor of their version of Guevaraism The view you espouse I think was that of Nahuel Moreno and his faction of the PRT, a distinction the Wiki article on the PRT missed. Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:14:47 -0300 From: nmg...@gmail.com

Re: [Marxism] Voting with feet, not commendable in Argentina Re: China'shigh speed rail plans

2009-09-07 Thread nada
I appreciate Nestor's take on the ERP. First time I read anything he wrote on this. Santucho...any SWPers here remember if he was the guy who showed up at the SWP convention in 1973? At least he was NY I think. Very 'hush hush' and all that. I agree about the ERP's Trotskyism. It was episodic

Re: [Marxism] Voting with feet, not commendable in Argentina Re: China'shigh speed rail plans

2009-09-07 Thread Nestor Gorojovsky
No, my view is not exactly that of Moreno. However, maybe you refer to the dispute between the PRT and PST of those times on electoral tactics, etc. Tom Cod escribió: Yes, they openly and contemptuously repudiated trotskyism in favor of their version of Guevaraism The view you espouse I

Re: [Marxism] Voting with feet, not commendable in Argentina Re: China'shigh speed rail plans

2009-09-06 Thread Tom Cod
Why do you say that? Clearly one can have differences with their tactics and strategy, but to say they were not a leftist group or were not to the left of Peron seems dubious and sectarian. Moreover, why then did the Peron regime and its successors do so much to repress and kill them?

Re: [Marxism] Voting with feet, not commendable in Argentina Re: China'shigh speed rail plans

2009-09-06 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky
Of course we should have given them all our solidarity. But they were certainly NOT TO THE LEFT OF Perón. Been explaining this on the list long ago. When and if I have time again will expand fully in the future. 2009/9/6 Tom Cod t...@hotmail.com: Why do you say that?  Clearly one can have

[Marxism] Voting with feet, not commendable in Argentina Re: China'shigh speed rail plans

2009-09-05 Thread Leonardo Kosloff
Nestor: I agree with all that Lueko has answered you Re: what is all that that he ‘has answered’?, he asked me a question, if I have anything to add to the little detail that the Chinese bureaucracy personifies the interests of capital, I assume he then acknowledges that that’s in fact the

[Marxism] Voting with feet, not commendable in Argentina Re: China'shigh speed rail plans

2009-09-05 Thread Leonardo Kosloff
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