Re: [Marxism] What to do about Obama's sellout

2010-12-08 Thread Peggy Dobbins
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I hope you sent this to the list. I thought your analyses reminded me of the days

Re: [Marxism] What to do about Obama's sellout

2010-12-08 Thread Carrol Cox
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == What to do about Obama's sellout You can't sell out what you have never been part

Re: [Marxism] What to do about Obama's sellout

2010-12-08 Thread Gary MacLennan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hi Carrol Hope all is well with you comrade. A few friendly questions: When did

Re: [Marxism] What to do?

2009-09-08 Thread martin
On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Mark Lause wrote: The $64,000 question, of course, is how to go about building the organization you're advocating. Does this thread ever resolve the question? martin YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying

Re: [Marxism] What to do?

2009-09-08 Thread martin
On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: Sounds almost impossible. At the very least we need the embryo of a campaign for something like this. One day :) We need Pogo. (perhaps 'we are the embryo') martin YOU MUST clip all

Re: [Marxism] What to do?

2009-09-08 Thread Bill O'Connor
martin mschil...@pobox.com writes: On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Mark Lause wrote: The $64,000 question, of course, is how to go about building the organization you're advocating. Does this thread ever resolve the question? Too early to tell. ;) -- In Solidarity, Billy O'Connor

Re: [Marxism] What to do?

2009-09-08 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_a_New_Workers'_Party where that project was at in 2004/2005 Mark Lause wrote: What is the embryo of a campaign? Is there a Bullshit Brain Trust somewhere making up these new terms? Because, if there is, I think I'd like to work there. I can

Re: [Marxism] What to do? [Early morn Labor Day thoughts]

2009-09-07 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
I honestly don't think that our energies should be put toward electoral efforts by third parties. But there is no doubt that in the long-term a party of the working class is an absolutely necessity. Now I'm largely paraphrasing Larhs Lih and Mike Macnair, but such a party would need to be both a

Re: [Marxism] What to do? [Early morn Labor Day thoughts]

2009-09-07 Thread Louis Proyect
Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: Maybe it's the naivety of youth, but I don't see why such an organization couldn't openly run candidates in Democratic primaries on an openly Marxist, oppositional platform for the sake of not a fantasy to transform or push the Democrats left, but to reach out to

Re: [Marxism] What to do? [Early morn Labor Day thoughts]

2009-09-07 Thread Bhaskar Sunkara
The same could be said of the Greens, except that primary campaign would be irrelevant. But what is the Democratic Party? Certainly it's largely neoliberal, bourgeois to say the least-- perhaps the world's second most enthusiastic major capitalist party. But is there not open primaries? Can a

Re: [Marxism] What to do? [Early morn Labor Day thoughts]

2009-09-07 Thread Louis Proyect
Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: The same could be said of the Greens, except that primary campaign would be irrelevant. The Greens are dead, mostly the result of tail-ending the Democrats. But what is the Democratic Party? Certainly it's largely neoliberal, bourgeois to say the least-- perhaps

Re: [Marxism] What to do?

2009-09-07 Thread brad bauerly
To activists in the US it should be painfully obvious to them that there is no hope for coalition building. It is either the Democrats or something outside of power. I don't understand all the talk about die Linke etc. It is kind of a waste of time. There will never be a coalition govenment

Re: [Marxism] What to do?

2009-09-07 Thread Mark Lause
Good for you, then. My mistake on 2008. The $64,000 question, of course, is how to go about building the organization you're advocating. ML YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: