Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Kim, In his polemic against Kautsky and in Socialism and War, Lenin argues that socialists need to look at whether particular wars benefit imperialist powers or the working class struggle. If they do not then socialists can and should support them. It's not as if East Timor was ever

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Rob Schaap
Before I get into needless trouble, I'd better point out that I'm agreeing with Lenin on the quoted bits of *Infantile Disorder* (not that I quite agree with the whole book) - and only disagreeing here with the application of Lenin's polemical poke at Kautsky [on evaluating wars] to the East

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Rob Schaap
Hi again, To claim as the Green Left does that the E Timorese were in danger of extermination is to echo the imperialist line that the E TImorese were helpless at the hands of Wiranto. This is not true, if they were rendered helpless it was at the hands of the imperialists. If Djakarta had

M-TH: Mike Hamlin Retires

2000-01-24 Thread Charles Brown
January 2000 Mike Hamlin Retires but Continues the Struggle for Justice By Charles E. Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] When veteran labor and human rights activist Mike Hamlin retired recently, hundreds of well-wishers turned out at Detroit's historic UAW Local 600 union hall to pay tribute to one of

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread davidb
On 25 Jan 00, at 1:59, Rob Schaap wrote: Hi again, To claim as the Green Left does that the E Timorese were in danger of extermination is to echo the imperialist line that the E TImorese were helpless at the hands of Wiranto. This is not true, if they were rendered helpless it was at the

M-TH: Idealist discussion of quantum theory

2000-01-24 Thread Chris Burford
This abstract from the 20 Jan 00 edition of Nature suggests there is an undialectical idealism in the discussion of quantum theory in the form of stories about "Schrödinger's cat". I am quoting it for the first three sentences. While chaos theory is modelled in closed systems it does not apply

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Bob Malecki
rOB WRITES... Well, we've already talked about Rwanda '91-'95. If Burundi is irrevocably on that terrible path, I favour the same sort of intervention as the Guardian was calling for from the starter's hatchet in Rwanda. Well, when we look at Africa it must be in the context of the

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Bob Malecki
Nice piece. Except one must take up China in all of this and not in the least the growing inter-imperialist rivalry with Japan.. Bob -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M-TH: Re: "Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook" Date: den 24 januari 2000 14:21

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Bob Malecki
Kim replies; Bob, yes GLW did support UN intervention into East Timor. The reason for this was made clear in a number of articles (which I hope you took the time to read, and not just the Australian Sparticist coverage of the issues). At no time did any of the article in GLW down play