Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-26 Thread Bullimore / Kim Maree (COM)
Sorry I have taken a couple of days to reply, but I have not been at the computer for the last couple of days. To reply to David, I would agree with what Rob said in his post regarding the TNI/Indonesia forces. Yes, while it is true Falintil had orders to wait, the Indonesian forces could have

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-26 Thread Bullimore / Kim Maree (COM)
Rob, hi.. I did not mean to imply that Indonesia's scorched earth policy was inititated 24 years prior (you are right in saying that its catalyst was the referendum), what I was trying to say and obviously I did not do it to clearly was that there had been an ongoing repression of the East

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Kim, In his polemic against Kautsky and in Socialism and War, Lenin argues that socialists need to look at whether particular wars benefit imperialist powers or the working class struggle. If they do not then socialists can and should support them. It's not as if East Timor was ever

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Rob Schaap
Before I get into needless trouble, I'd better point out that I'm agreeing with Lenin on the quoted bits of *Infantile Disorder* (not that I quite agree with the whole book) - and only disagreeing here with the application of Lenin's polemical poke at Kautsky [on evaluating wars] to the East

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Rob Schaap
Hi again, To claim as the Green Left does that the E Timorese were in danger of extermination is to echo the imperialist line that the E TImorese were helpless at the hands of Wiranto. This is not true, if they were rendered helpless it was at the hands of the imperialists. If Djakarta had

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread davidb
On 25 Jan 00, at 1:59, Rob Schaap wrote: Hi again, To claim as the Green Left does that the E Timorese were in danger of extermination is to echo the imperialist line that the E TImorese were helpless at the hands of Wiranto. This is not true, if they were rendered helpless it was at the

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Bob Malecki
rOB WRITES... Well, we've already talked about Rwanda '91-'95. If Burundi is irrevocably on that terrible path, I favour the same sort of intervention as the Guardian was calling for from the starter's hatchet in Rwanda. Well, when we look at Africa it must be in the context of the

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Bob Malecki
Nice piece. Except one must take up China in all of this and not in the least the growing inter-imperialist rivalry with Japan.. Bob -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: M-TH: Re: "Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook" Date: den 24 januari

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-24 Thread Bob Malecki
Kim replies; Bob, yes GLW did support UN intervention into East Timor. The reason for this was made clear in a number of articles (which I hope you took the time to read, and not just the Australian Sparticist coverage of the issues). At no time did any of the article in GLW down play

Re: M-TH: Re: Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook

2000-01-23 Thread Bullimore / Kim Maree (COM)
ciple' objections". Kim B On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Bob Malecki wrote: -- From: Rob Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: M-TH: Re: "Kosova revisionists let NATO off the hook" Yeah, and in what context? Because the Green Lefdt Weekly has been very busy itse