Re: M-TH: Historical vs Dialectical materialism.

1999-12-06 Thread russell p
Russ, If you don't mind, can you give me a brief explanation of the difference between the two? Thanks Pete Hi Pete, Okey doke. This is an old hot chestnut for Thaxians and one that sharply divides us! Raymond Williams summarises it nicely: 'Historical materialism refers to human

M-TH: Fwd: LM COMMENTARY: The problem with anti-capitalist demonstrations/12-06-99

1999-12-06 Thread russell p
Mick Hume gets it right! This article was originally published in The Times (London) on 6 December 1999 'The disparate demonstrations against capitalism represented more of a general moan about life than a movement to change the world' by Mick Hume, LM editor When Karl Marx suggested that

Re: M-TH: Historical vs Dialectical materialism.

1999-12-06 Thread Charles Brown
Not willing to go along with you and Russ. The dialectical materialist concept originates with Marx. Engels knew him better than you and Russ. CB "The World Socialist movement (via The Socialist Party of Great Britain)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/05/99 05:57PM Dear Russ, This was

M-TH: Re: Show us yer spit...

1999-12-06 Thread Hugh Rodwell
I asked: Now if any of you cleverclogs's can show me a single quote in which Engels or Lenin or Trotsky claim that dialectical materialism is a finished body of philosophical doctrine, or that their own contributions to its first steps are more than just that, then we might have a discussion.

M-TH: Fw: The problem with anti-capitalist demonstrations

1999-12-06 Thread Michael Pugliese
From Living Marxism (well it used to be called that, now it's just LM, perhaps it should be renamed, Libertarian ex-Marxism?) editor, Mick Hume. Got a chuckle on the right on bashing of those silly turtle get ups though. Michael Pugliese - Original

Re: M-TH: Show us yer spit...

1999-12-06 Thread Charles Brown
Below, from the last time we argued this, is a direct quote from Marx explicitly evincing his conviction that dialectics apply in natual science, and spitting directly on those who deny that he had that conviction. CB Yes, Chris, the direct quotes from Marx supporting our (I assume I can

M-TH: Re: Historical vs dialectical materialism

1999-12-06 Thread Gerald Levy
Charles wrote: Engels knew him [Marx, JL] better than you [Simon, JL] and Russ. And you, apparently, knew Marx better than he knew himself! Jerry --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---