[Marxism-Thaxis] Potential for rev greater in 3rd world, but need for 1st world rev more

2008-06-24 Thread Charles Brown
Matthijs wrote: I agree with this sentiment. I think that while support for Western workers against Western capital, including their unions, is necessary, we shouldn't conveniently lose sight of the fact that

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] structuralist linguistics plus follow up on phoneme

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
CB 1: There's a strange phenomenon right now where all these babies are into to saying Obama, sort of on their own when they hear it. Are you sure the Teletubbies haven't endorsed Barack Obama? CB 2But why is shhh non-arbitrarily connected to quiet ? There is onemotapia , as well noted ,

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] structuralist linguistics plus follow up on phoneme

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
Sorry for all the typos in the last mail, but it's past midnight and my eyes are too tired to read it in detail enough to correct. If something is totally messed up, quote it and I'll try to clarify tomorrow. Meanwhile, to explain the voice-onset-timing thing, as with [p] vs. [b], here is an

[Marxism-Thaxis] On illusion of phoneme

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~lholt/publications/PhonemeIllusion.pdf Good paper. Very well thought out and reasoned--unlike most work in the field where the reality and validity of a concept is assumed to be true in order to 'prove' or at least support the position that the concept is real and valid.

[Marxism-Thaxis] Da da da da

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=jtsfidRq2twfeature=related What you see and hear, what you hear, and what you see are THREE different things. The McGurk Effect. But also note that it can not be done with a single sound. It takes a syllable. Which means perhaps the syllable--as we say it, as we

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] On illusion of phoneme

2008-06-24 Thread Charles Brown
CeJ http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~lholt/publications/PhonemeIllusion.pdf Good paper. Very well thought out and reasoned--unlike most work in the field where the reality and validity of a concept is assumed to be true in order to 'prove' or at least support the position that the concept is real and

[Marxism-Thaxis] The Illusion of the Phoneme

2008-06-24 Thread Charles Brown
The Illusion of the Phoneme Andrew J. Lotto Loyola University Chicago Lori L. Holt Carnegie Mellon University 0. Caveat A caveat is warranted here. While our title is provocative, our ambitions are much more prosaic. Obviously the debate on the ontological status of the phoneme has a long and

[Marxism-Thaxis] Dobson accuses Obama of 'distorting' Bible

2008-06-24 Thread Charles Brown
Dobson accuses Obama of 'distorting' Bible Conservative is critical of Dem's stance on how the Bible should guide policy Dobson questions Obama's stance on Bible June 24: Evangelical leader James Dobson accuses Barack Obama of distorting the Bible. Journalists Brian Debose and Perry Bacon

[Marxism-Thaxis] Barack Obama: What's the big idea?

2008-06-24 Thread Charles Brown
Barry O is a big puzzle ( smile). Some people just can't figure him out. He's a mystery. CB ^ Barack Obama: What's the big idea? 16 months and 26 debates later he remains a puzzle to many voters Malcolm Gladwell: Who says big ideas are rare? The Talk of the Town By

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Potential for rev greater in 3rd world, but need for 1st...

2008-06-24 Thread Waistline2
CB: I agree with your overall points. However, the main revolution that the whole world needs is in the US. Since, the US is the imperialist center of this epoch, a revolution here would give significant relief to the workers in the Third World. The only ones who can make a revolution

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] structuralist linguistics plus follow up on phoneme

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
CB: That's interesting. Could you give some examples of words imitating non-sounds ? In English, the /g/ of gooey, gunky, greasy, gross, goop, glob, glop etc. seems to indicate that the /g/ sound is used to represent something in common, so we could argue a shift away from purely arbitrary.

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] On illusion of phoneme

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
CB:CB: So most linguists think the phoneme is a valid concept ? Most work in linguistics has become so specific and narrow that if a linguist in lexical semantics says that the phoneme is a valid concept, it is most likely because he or she hasn't read a paper in phonology since their

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Da da da da

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
If the sound and visuals are too much out of synch, it doesn't work. Perhaps something that is done in a highly controlled environment does not translate too well to the still primitive av of the internet. I saw it demonstrated on a large screen TV on a television program here in Japan, and it did

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Da da da da

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
I clearly got the effect--even on a tiny sub-note with a tinny speaker--watching a recording of that very same Japanese TV program. http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Fke7GWcT5kofeature=related The illusion was I perceived da da da da When I closed my eyes, I could hear ba ba ba And the visual was

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] On illusion of phoneme

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
CJ Say the words 'low' and 'row' in isolation. Although the overall gestural routine is somewhat similar, notice how both start with prominent lip rounding. Yet the English /l/ is often characterized as a 'lip flat' sound/phoneme. So if you are rounding your lips before you start phonating [l ou

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] On illusion of phoneme

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
A couple more things to ponder before I head off to classes. The idea of the phoneme is sometimes built on the house of cards that is categorical perception (though minimal pairs and complementary distribution have also been tried, as have featural matrices). Yet categorical perception is not

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] On illusion of phoneme

2008-06-24 Thread CeJ
I had thought Chomsky had moved past featural matrices as phonological units, but I could see where they might still appeal--they retain some phonetic criteria and are easily formalized (he attacked phonemes from the issue of how structuralists had used complementary distribution to delimit what