Re: SV: M-TH: Chechnya - the revolutionary answer
Well I am hardly with Dave or Chris on this stuff. Positive to self determination but defeatist between Moscow and the Islamic Fundamentalists. However Rob raises and interesting question in that the west who have "supported" Yeltsin in lack of anything else now are faced with a real dilema. And the main imperialist powers (especially Germany and the US) might find themselves in and escalating rivalry over this stuff. Yes indeed Bob! The shelf-life of "The West" is best before the next escalation of inter-imperialist rivalry. And how much longer will people be able to call on "The West" to sort out regional conflicts? Perhaps honesty might be a better solution- simply call on the US to crack the whip and be done with it! Russell __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
SV: M-TH: Chechnya - the revolutionary answer
Well I am hardly with Dave or Chris on this stuff. Positive to self determination but defeatist between Moscow and the Islamic Fundamentalists. However Rob raises and interesting question in that the west who have "supported" Yeltsin in lack of anything else now are faced with a real dilema. And the main imperialist powers (especially Germany and the US) might find themselves in and escalating rivalry over this stuff. Bob - Original Message - From: Rob Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 2:53 PM Subject: Re: M-TH: Chechnya - the revolutionary answer G'day Chris'n'Dave, I'm with Chris on Chechnya (well, we were due an agreement, I reckon - and I don't see how threatening to withold funds that only ever find their way into aparatchik/mob/financier pockets is gonna hurt too many), but leaving the little matter of murder on a grand scale aside for a minute, there's some value to be had in anything that drives a wedge between Boris'n'Bill and/or exacerbates the distance between Boris and his plentiful opponents as early as possible (one can only surmise how another year or two of corruption, mass suffering and bereavement might lift the Russian far right's stocks - anyone know anything about this Barazov character?). With great chunks of Eastern Europe evincing a left-turn, the time might be right to have a contest for the Kremlin about now. Another embarrassment for Yeltsin might be just the ticket, I reckon. His administration (never mind the old bastard hisself) has gotta be living on borrowed time, no? A western-inspired Russian retreat saves lives now and might just give the Russian left the leg-up it needs in potentially auspicious times. Or am I speculating above and beyond the call of reason? Cheers, Rob. --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
M-TH: Chechnya - the revolutionary answer
At 17:14 09/11/99 +, you wrote: Super reply Chris. Keep it up. You might note that the point of surveying the various brands of socialism in CM was to characterise their class standpoint. What's your's Chris? As for Chechyna, the LCMRCI has along with several other groups put out a statement in Spanish. When its translated I'll forward it to this list. Dave The way it achieves a pure and in practice entirely abstract political position is too subtle for Dave to summarise in English here? Perhaps Dave could bring himself alone to say whether he thinks progressive forces should press the west to impose economic sanctions on Yeltsin's Russian to make it disgorge Chechnya just as Habibie's Indonesia was forced to disgorge East Timor? Or do I know the answer: Unclean! unclean! You cannot build a world centre for revolution with messy compromises like that. Chris Burford London --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: Chechnya - the revolutionary answer
Chris: The way it achieves a pure and in practice entirely abstract political position is too subtle for Dave to summarise in English here? Dave: Up yours too Burford Ah, the answer has arrived. In English. But what has this to do with the oppression of the Chechens by Yeltsin's government? --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
