Re: M-TH: Re: (updated) Detailed Agenda for Marxism (2000)
Jerry, On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Gerald Levy wrote: > A step forward into the 21st century with a leap backwards into the > 1970's? The agenda reminds me of "educational conferences" held in > Oberlin, Ohio in August in the 70's on years when there wasn't a > party convention. While this type of "educational conference" may be old hat for you and maybe a few other people, many younger Marxists may not have the benefit of your years in the movement. The primary reason for this type of conference is to allow a broad section of socialists a chance to discuss, debate and learn - not only about "classic" marxist or socialist theory but also to learn from Marxists from around the world, including the USA, Britian, Pakistan, Indonesia and many others. One of the strengths (and I will admit I am bias here) of the DSP & Resistance is its emphasis on education as well as activist/movement work. We run a number of educational camps, party schools and education seminars a year -both at district and national levels as well as branch levels. WE are aware that people come to the movement at different ages and with different levels of knowledge (the youngest DSP member is about 15 with the oldest in their 80's and Resistance who is for socialist youth under 26 has membership that ranges from 12 years to 26 years). We can not expect our members to fight for our politics and for socialism and revolution, if they don't understand the reasons why and the theory's behind why socialists hold certain positions... this is why theory and education is of vital importance. The first "education conference" I attended was the April 1998 Asia Pacific conference run by the DSP and I was 32 at the time (a late bloomer when it comes to Marxism, though I had been a "leftie" for a number of years). The Asia Pacific confernce was in someways similar in structure to this one. While it was overwhelming in that there was just so much to take in and learn, I found it incrediably valuable. It gave me the opportunity to met with like minded activists and to learn about things I had only a small about of knowledge about (esp many international issues) as well as have a sense of solidarity and understanding of where the socialist movement was heading world wide. > Even some of the names are the same (e.g. Caroline Lund, Malik Miah, Barry > Sheppard). Barry Sheppard! (a name I had hoped and expected to never hear > again) - the former (SWP) party hack perhaps best known for expelling his > own father. The people you have mentioned above are now with Solidarity. As for being hacks, I don't know as I have very little knowledge about them other than they had been previously with the US SWP before it descended into its present state , but I will be keeping an open mind when I attend at least one of the workshops given by Barry Sheppard. The DSP has tried to build solidarity with as many international groups as possible and has extended them the invitation to come and discuss politics in their regions. This is one of the strengths of the conference. > I know I won't be attending this conference - I've already been there. I > can even tell you how it will end. > Jerry Please do tell! It will be interesting to see if your "predictions" come true Kim B > > > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
M-TH: Re: (updated) detailed agenda for Marxism (2000)
Bob: It's the same Barry Sheppard. Indeed, he is even giving a 2-part class on post-1950's (US) SWP history at the conference. I think he is in "Solidarity" now. Interestingly, the panel that debates the future of a revolutionary party in the US is made up of 3 former SWP leaders. Jerry --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: Re: (updated) Detailed Agenda for Marxism (2000)
Bob Malecki mixing up the Australian DSP, publishers of Green Left Weekly with DSA? Too much snow up there Bob? Kim Bullimore i'm sure can elucidate DSP political line. In high school and college I was active in NAM & DSA, if anyone has questions re:DSA positions then. BTW James Petras would not I thinkview with favor DSA'ish positions. In his youth he was in YSA, youth section of SWP. Have seen his pieces in Against The Current and many other places over the years.Now at SUNY, Binghampton with the Wallersteinians. Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: Bob Malecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 9:43 PM Subject: SV: M-TH: Re: (updated) Detailed Agenda for Marxism (2000) > Actually I found it interesting to find Barry Sheppard's name on the list of speakers. So he left the SWP for the Democratic Socialists of America? > > Last time I heard his name was when I was in the USec (IMT tendency) and Sheppard was in the opposing tendency along with most of the SWP. > > Or maybe we are not talking about the same person.. > > Bob > - Original Message - > From: Gerald Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 12:57 PM > Subject: M-TH: Re: (updated) Detailed Agenda for Marxism (2000) > > > > A step forward into the 21st century with a leap backwards into the > > 1970's? The agenda reminds me of "educational conferences" held in > > Oberlin, Ohio in August in the 70's on years when there wasn't a > > party convention. > > > > Even some of the names are the same (e.g. Caroline Lund, Malik Miah, Barry > > Sheppard). Barry Sheppard! (a name I had hoped and expected to never hear > > again) - the former (SWP) party hack perhaps best known for expelling his > > own father. > > > > I know I won't be attending this conference - I've already been there. I > > can even tell you how it will end. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- > > > > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
SV: M-TH: Re: (updated) Detailed Agenda for Marxism (2000)
Actually I found it interesting to find Barry Sheppard's name on the list of speakers. So he left the SWP for the Democratic Socialists of America? Last time I heard his name was when I was in the USec (IMT tendency) and Sheppard was in the opposing tendency along with most of the SWP. Or maybe we are not talking about the same person.. Bob - Original Message - From: Gerald Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 12:57 PM Subject: M-TH: Re: (updated) Detailed Agenda for Marxism (2000) > A step forward into the 21st century with a leap backwards into the > 1970's? The agenda reminds me of "educational conferences" held in > Oberlin, Ohio in August in the 70's on years when there wasn't a > party convention. > > Even some of the names are the same (e.g. Caroline Lund, Malik Miah, Barry > Sheppard). Barry Sheppard! (a name I had hoped and expected to never hear > again) - the former (SWP) party hack perhaps best known for expelling his > own father. > > I know I won't be attending this conference - I've already been there. I > can even tell you how it will end. > > Jerry > > > > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
M-TH: Re: (updated) Detailed Agenda for Marxism (2000)
A step forward into the 21st century with a leap backwards into the 1970's? The agenda reminds me of "educational conferences" held in Oberlin, Ohio in August in the 70's on years when there wasn't a party convention. Even some of the names are the same (e.g. Caroline Lund, Malik Miah, Barry Sheppard). Barry Sheppard! (a name I had hoped and expected to never hear again) - the former (SWP) party hack perhaps best known for expelling his own father. I know I won't be attending this conference - I've already been there. I can even tell you how it will end. Jerry --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
