Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article: "Communism Is No Utopia"

1999-12-10 Thread Charles Brown
But Engels upheld the main thesis. Only some programmatic particulars were out of date, not the main thesis of historical materialism, dictatorship of the proletariat, struggle up to and including barricades and revolutionary war. CB >>> "The World Socialist movement (via The Socialist Party o

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-12-03 Thread J.WALKER
Ian you wrote that: > the official verdict of the CCP that Stalin was 70% correct > and 30% wrong is far too kind.>There is a good evaluation of > internal CPSU evidence in *New Left Review* The official verdict or the evaluation of the CPSU evidence is hardly an arbiter of any view on the subjec

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article: "Communism Is No Utopia"

1999-12-02 Thread Charles Brown
>>> "The World Socialist movement (via The Socialist Party of Great Marx disavowed this 1848 solution a couple of decades later: already he considered the barricade/ dictatorship of the proletariat route to be past its sell by date in europe. ((( Charles: What is your evidence of thi

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-12-01 Thread r.i.p
Can anyone supply the original ref or URL for this article? Russell __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-29 Thread Ian Hunt
John, You wrote: > >Were we reading the same article as mine was littered with >vilifications of Stalin and the Bolshevik revolution. You talk of >some on the left of turning Marxism into a secular religion well the >charge could be made that others have turned it into a secular >witch-hunt. > >Wh

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-29 Thread J.WALKER
Ian, You wrote praised Meszaros' article for > We can do without worship (or vilification) of > Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, etc. Were we reading the same article as mine was littered with vilifications of Stalin and the Bolshevik revolution. You talk of some on the left of tur

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article: "Communism Is No Utopia"

1999-11-26 Thread Hugh Rodwell
>Dear Rob, > >> Where I am with Simon is the sensibility that we're not at the planning >> stage until lots'n'lots of people are engaged. And then they'll be part >of >> the planning, too, eh? I've never worn that 'saviours waving the >programme >> at the masses' stuff. Don't reckon it gets you

M-TH: Re: Meszaros article: "Communism Is No Utopia"

1999-11-25 Thread Rob Schaap
I enjoyed and appreciated the Meszaros article very much (as I seem to whenever he puts pen to paper). Thanks to Jim for the post. Writes John: >It was not political control that was at the heart of Communism but >the control of the means of poduction, short and simple. Communism is >effectivel

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-24 Thread Ian Hunt
The past is valuable regardless of allegiances. Mistakes are valuable if we learn from them. What I was referring to is some of the more totemistic, charismatic styles of thinking and writing that socialist movements have been plagued with, which Meszaros' article is blissfully free of. Trotskyist

M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-24 Thread Hugh Rodwell
Ian H writes: >I do not have the time to say too much, but would like to say that I also >found Meszaros' article a really good read, and would like people to take >up the challenge to articulate a clear vision and strategy for socialism >unemcumbered with the baggage of our political past I'd

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-24 Thread J.WALKER
James, Thanks for the article, well it managed to work me up and I haven't finished it yet!!! One point about your brief reply, which may just be me being over picky is where you say: > What we need to do now is to formulate the vision that Meszaros describes in > simple, attractive and concr

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-23 Thread Ian Hunt
I do not have the time to say too much, but would like to say that I also found Meszaros' article a really good read, and would like people to take up the challenge to articulate a clear vision and strategy for socialism unemcumbered with the baggage of our political past >I am copying my respo

M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-23 Thread James Lawler
I am copying my response to the Meszaros article on the Socialist Register list. --Jim Lawler I have just read Istvan Meszaros' very thoughtful piece on communism. I agree with him that we are headed downhill, spiraling into catastrophe. What does that mean? It means great economic disruption