Re: M-TH: Chechnya - the revolutionary answer
Well my position on Chechnya hasnt changed since 1995, though this list did not exist then. While Russia is not an imperialist country, we cannot condone its invasion of a former republic which has expressed its desire to separate. As for dividing Boris and Bill, the division goes much deeper into the character of a restored workers state which is now a miserable, collapsed semi-colony of the IMF/WV/Washington. No revolutionary movement in Russia will be worth anything until it overcomes its great Russian chauvinism and the danger of the RedBrown reaction. Insisting that Russia pulls out of Chechnya is one way of breaking down that chauvinism and ensuring that something progressive comes out of this barbarism. > G'day Chris'n'Dave, > > I'm with Chris on Chechnya (well, we were due an agreement, I reckon - and > I don't see how threatening to withold funds that only ever find their way > into aparatchik/mob/financier pockets is gonna hurt too many), but leaving > the little matter of murder on a grand scale aside for a minute, there's > some value to be had in anything that drives a wedge between Boris'n'Bill > and/or exacerbates the distance between Boris and his plentiful opponents > as early as possible (one can only surmise how another year or two of > corruption, mass suffering and bereavement might lift the Russian far > right's stocks - anyone know anything about this Barazov character?). With > great chunks of Eastern Europe evincing a left-turn, the time might be > right to have a contest for the Kremlin about now. Another embarrassment > for Yeltsin might be just the ticket, I reckon. His administration (never > mind the old bastard hisself) has gotta be living on borrowed time, no? A > western-inspired Russian retreat saves lives now and might just give the > Russian left the leg-up it needs in potentially auspicious times. > > Or am I speculating above and beyond the call of reason? > > Cheers, > Rob. > > > > > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: Chechnya - the revolutionary answer
G'day Chris'n'Dave, I'm with Chris on Chechnya (well, we were due an agreement, I reckon - and I don't see how threatening to withold funds that only ever find their way into aparatchik/mob/financier pockets is gonna hurt too many), but leaving the little matter of murder on a grand scale aside for a minute, there's some value to be had in anything that drives a wedge between Boris'n'Bill and/or exacerbates the distance between Boris and his plentiful opponents as early as possible (one can only surmise how another year or two of corruption, mass suffering and bereavement might lift the Russian far right's stocks - anyone know anything about this Barazov character?). With great chunks of Eastern Europe evincing a left-turn, the time might be right to have a contest for the Kremlin about now. Another embarrassment for Yeltsin might be just the ticket, I reckon. His administration (never mind the old bastard hisself) has gotta be living on borrowed time, no? A western-inspired Russian retreat saves lives now and might just give the Russian left the leg-up it needs in potentially auspicious times. Or am I speculating above and beyond the call of reason? Cheers, Rob. --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: Chechnya - the revolutionary answer
Chris: >> The way it achieves a pure and in practice entirely abstract political >> position is too subtle for Dave to summarise in English here? Dave: >Up yours too Burford Ah, the answer has arrived. In English. But what has this to do with the oppression of the Chechens by Yeltsin's government? --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: M-TH: Chechnya - the revolutionary answer
Up yours too Burford > Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:25:56 + > To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Chris Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: M-TH: Chechnya - the revolutionary answer > Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > At 17:14 09/11/99 +, you wrote: > >Super reply Chris. Keep it up. > >You might note that the point of surveying the various brands of > >socialism in CM was to characterise their class standpoint. What's > >your's Chris? > >As for Chechyna, the LCMRCI has along with several other groups put > >out a statement in Spanish. When its translated I'll forward it to > >this list. > >Dave > > > The way it achieves a pure and in practice entirely abstract political > position is too subtle for Dave to summarise in English here? > > Perhaps Dave could bring himself alone to say whether he thinks progressive > forces should press the west to impose economic sanctions on Yeltsin's > Russian to make it disgorge Chechnya just as Habibie's Indonesia was forced > to disgorge East Timor? > > Or do I know the answer: Unclean! unclean! You cannot build a world centre > for revolution with messy compromises like that. > > Chris Burford > > London > > > > > > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- > --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
