Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Terry Eagleton on The death of universities

2010-12-21 Thread c b
I think the ruling class has not ended its counter-reform
(Thatcher-Reagan) movement, but continued to develop more attacks,
maybe.  The attack on public education in the US , especially teachers
, is going on now , too. The reform movement of the 1960's was
centered especially in colleges and schools. Teachers from higher to
lower education are a cadre of radicalizers. So, the ruling class is
targetting them all to prevent the next radical reform movement.

CB

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com wrote:

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/17/death-universities-ma
 laise-tuition-fees

 The Guardian
  17 December 2010

 *The death of universities

 Academia has become a servant of the status quo. Its malaise runs so much
 deeper than tuition fees*

 Terry Eagleton

 Are the humanities about to disappear from our universities? The question
 is
 absurd. It would be like asking whether alcohol is about to disappear
 from
 pubs, or egoism from Hollywood. Just as there cannot be a pub without
 alcohol, so there cannot be a university without the humanities. If
 history,
 philosophy and so on vanish from academic life, what they leave in their
 wake may be a technical training facility or corporate research
 institute.
 But it will not be a university in the classical sense of the term, and
 it
 would be deceptive to call it one.

 Neither, however, can there be a university in the full sense of the word
 when the humanities exist in isolation from other disciplines. The
 quickest
 way of devaluing these subjects – short of disposing of them altogether –
 is
 to reduce them to an agreeable bonus. Real men study law and engineering,
 while ideas and values are for sissies. The humanities should constitute
 the
 core of any university worth the name. The study of history and
 philosophy,
 accompanied by some acquaintance with art and literature, should be for
 lawyers and engineers as well as for those who study in arts faculties.
 If
 the humanities are not under such dire threat in the United States, it
 is,
 among other things, because they are seen as being an integral part of
 higher education as such.

 When they first emerged in their present shape around the turn of the
 18th
 century, the so-called humane disciplines had a crucial social role. It
 was
 to foster and protect the kind of values for which a philistine social
 order
 had precious little time. The modern humanities and industrial capitalism
 were more or less twinned at birth. To preserve a set of values and ideas
 under siege, you needed among other things institutions known as
 universities set somewhat apart from everyday social life. This
 remoteness
 meant that humane study could be lamentably ineffectual. But it also
 allowed
 the humanities to launch a critique of conventional wisdom.

 From time to time, as in the late 1960s and in these last few weeks in
 Britain, that critique would take to the streets, confronting how we
 actually live with how we might live.

 What we have witnessed in our own time is the death of universities as
 centres of critique. Since Margaret Thatcher, the role of academia has
 been
 to service the status quo, not challenge it in the name of justice,
 tradition, imagination, human welfare, the free play of the mind or
 alternative visions of the future. We will not change this simply by
 increasing state funding of the humanities as opposed to slashing it to
 nothing. We will change it by insisting that a critical reflection on
 human
 values and principles should be central to everything that goes on in
 universities, not just to the study of Rembrandt or Rimbaud.

 In the end, the humanities can only be defended by stressing how
 indispensable they are; and this means insisting on their vital role in
 the
 whole business of academic learning, rather than protesting that, like
 some
 poor relation, they don't cost much to be housed.

 How can this be achieved in practice? Financially speaking, it can't be.
 Governments are intent on shrinking the humanities, not expanding them.

 Might not too much investment in teaching Shelley mean falling behind our
 economic competitors? But there is no university without humane inquiry,
 which means that universities and advanced capitalism are fundamentally
 incompatible. And the political implications of that run far deeper than
 the
 question of student fees.



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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Terry Eagleton on The death of universities

2010-12-21 Thread Ralph Dumain
Historically, radicals have come from the ranks of the 
scientific-technical intelligentsia as well, as arch-reactionaries from 
the humanities. When I was in elementary school and high school, English 
and history teachers were the worst reactionaries. I hated these 
subjects, loved math and science. Who knew I would turn out occupied 
with the former rather than the latter? Thanks for nothing, schoolteachers!

However, the business model that has overtaken universities, coupled I'm 
guessing with financial retrenchment, is gutting various programs, 
notably philosophy, I think in Britain, but also look out for the USA.

Howard University plans to ax its philosophy department, which is pretty 
small as is. In my view, there's too much Africana crap in it, but 
Howard is conservative enough without having to eliminate one of the few 
outlets for critical thinking in it.

On 12/19/2010 8:45 AM, Jim Farmelant wrote:
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/17/death-universities-ma
 laise-tuition-fees

 The Guardian
   17 December 2010

 *The death of universities

 Academia has become a servant of the status quo. Its malaise runs so much
 deeper than tuition fees*

 Terry Eagleton

 Are the humanities about to disappear from our universities? The question
 is
 absurd. It would be like asking whether alcohol is about to disappear
 from
 pubs, or egoism from Hollywood. Just as there cannot be a pub without
 alcohol, so there cannot be a university without the humanities. If
 history,
 philosophy and so on vanish from academic life, what they leave in their
 wake may be a technical training facility or corporate research
 institute.
 But it will not be a university in the classical sense of the term, and
 it
 would be deceptive to call it one.

 Neither, however, can there be a university in the full sense of the word
 when the humanities exist in isolation from other disciplines. The
 quickest
 way of devaluing these subjects – short of disposing of them altogether –
 is
 to reduce them to an agreeable bonus. Real men study law and engineering,
 while ideas and values are for sissies. The humanities should constitute
 the
 core of any university worth the name. The study of history and
 philosophy,
 accompanied by some acquaintance with art and literature, should be for
 lawyers and engineers as well as for those who study in arts faculties.
 If
 the humanities are not under such dire threat in the United States, it
 is,
 among other things, because they are seen as being an integral part of
 higher education as such.

 When they first emerged in their present shape around the turn of the
 18th
 century, the so-called humane disciplines had a crucial social role. It
 was
 to foster and protect the kind of values for which a philistine social
 order
 had precious little time. The modern humanities and industrial capitalism
 were more or less twinned at birth. To preserve a set of values and ideas
 under siege, you needed among other things institutions known as
 universities set somewhat apart from everyday social life. This
 remoteness
 meant that humane study could be lamentably ineffectual. But it also
 allowed
 the humanities to launch a critique of conventional wisdom.

  From time to time, as in the late 1960s and in these last few weeks in
 Britain, that critique would take to the streets, confronting how we
 actually live with how we might live.

 What we have witnessed in our own time is the death of universities as
 centres of critique. Since Margaret Thatcher, the role of academia has
 been
 to service the status quo, not challenge it in the name of justice,
 tradition, imagination, human welfare, the free play of the mind or
 alternative visions of the future. We will not change this simply by
 increasing state funding of the humanities as opposed to slashing it to
 nothing. We will change it by insisting that a critical reflection on
 human
 values and principles should be central to everything that goes on in
 universities, not just to the study of Rembrandt or Rimbaud.

 In the end, the humanities can only be defended by stressing how
 indispensable they are; and this means insisting on their vital role in
 the
 whole business of academic learning, rather than protesting that, like
 some
 poor relation, they don't cost much to be housed.

 How can this be achieved in practice? Financially speaking, it can't be.
 Governments are intent on shrinking the humanities, not expanding them.

 Might not too much investment in teaching Shelley mean falling behind our
 economic competitors? But there is no university without humane inquiry,
 which means that universities and advanced capitalism are fundamentally
 incompatible. And the political implications of that run far deeper than
 the
 question of student fees.



 Jim Farmelant
 http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant
 www.foxymath.com
 Learn or Review Basic Math
 
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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Terry Eagleton on The death of universities

2010-12-21 Thread c b
I certainly didn't mean all teachers or humanties people and artists
and philosophers are radical or liberal.   Ezra Pound, for example,
was a fascist.  Classcists have a lot of conservative ideas, not
surprisingly. Hell, Platoism is reactionary today, and Plato invented
The Academy for which academe is named.  At least in the sixties,
colleges seemed to be hotbeds and more a source of peace activists
than other segments of society.  The college sections are called
liberal arts, and liberal are now redbaited as socialists.

Community colleges are the locus of a lot of radicalizing nowadays.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Ralph Dumain
rdum...@autodidactproject.org wrote:
 Historically, radicals have come from the ranks of the
 scientific-technical intelligentsia as well, as arch-reactionaries from
 the humanities. When I was in elementary school and high school, English
 and history teachers were the worst reactionaries. I hated these
 subjects, loved math and science. Who knew I would turn out occupied
 with the former rather than the latter? Thanks for nothing, schoolteachers!

 However, the business model that has overtaken universities, coupled I'm
 guessing with financial retrenchment, is gutting various programs,
 notably philosophy, I think in Britain, but also look out for the USA.

 Howard University plans to ax its philosophy department, which is pretty
 small as is. In my view, there's too much Africana crap in it, but
 Howard is conservative enough without having to eliminate one of the few
 outlets for critical thinking in it.

 On 12/19/2010 8:45 AM, Jim Farmelant wrote:
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/17/death-universities-ma
 laise-tuition-fees

 The Guardian
   17 December 2010

 *The death of universities

 Academia has become a servant of the status quo. Its malaise runs so much
 deeper than tuition fees*

 Terry Eagleton

 Are the humanities about to disappear from our universities? The question
 is
 absurd. It would be like asking whether alcohol is about to disappear
 from
 pubs, or egoism from Hollywood. Just as there cannot be a pub without
 alcohol, so there cannot be a university without the humanities. If
 history,
 philosophy and so on vanish from academic life, what they leave in their
 wake may be a technical training facility or corporate research
 institute.
 But it will not be a university in the classical sense of the term, and
 it
 would be deceptive to call it one.

 Neither, however, can there be a university in the full sense of the word
 when the humanities exist in isolation from other disciplines. The
 quickest
 way of devaluing these subjects – short of disposing of them altogether –
 is
 to reduce them to an agreeable bonus. Real men study law and engineering,
 while ideas and values are for sissies. The humanities should constitute
 the
 core of any university worth the name. The study of history and
 philosophy,
 accompanied by some acquaintance with art and literature, should be for
 lawyers and engineers as well as for those who study in arts faculties.
 If
 the humanities are not under such dire threat in the United States, it
 is,
 among other things, because they are seen as being an integral part of
 higher education as such.

 When they first emerged in their present shape around the turn of the
 18th
 century, the so-called humane disciplines had a crucial social role. It
 was
 to foster and protect the kind of values for which a philistine social
 order
 had precious little time. The modern humanities and industrial capitalism
 were more or less twinned at birth. To preserve a set of values and ideas
 under siege, you needed among other things institutions known as
 universities set somewhat apart from everyday social life. This
 remoteness
 meant that humane study could be lamentably ineffectual. But it also
 allowed
 the humanities to launch a critique of conventional wisdom.

  From time to time, as in the late 1960s and in these last few weeks in
 Britain, that critique would take to the streets, confronting how we
 actually live with how we might live.

 What we have witnessed in our own time is the death of universities as
 centres of critique. Since Margaret Thatcher, the role of academia has
 been
 to service the status quo, not challenge it in the name of justice,
 tradition, imagination, human welfare, the free play of the mind or
 alternative visions of the future. We will not change this simply by
 increasing state funding of the humanities as opposed to slashing it to
 nothing. We will change it by insisting that a critical reflection on
 human
 values and principles should be central to everything that goes on in
 universities, not just to the study of Rembrandt or Rimbaud.

 In the end, the humanities can only be defended by stressing how
 indispensable they are; and this means insisting on their vital role in
 the
 whole business of academic learning, rather than protesting that, like
 some
 poor relation, they