Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Wiki Lenin
In a message dated 2/16/2010 12:12:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _rdum...@autodidactproject.org_ (mailto:rdum...@autodidactproject.org) writes: There is remarkable objectivity about the Red Terror, an object of controversy in the discussion of this entry. Oddly, though, there is less controversy over the article than I would have expected, from either those who hate Lenin or those whol still feel the need to lie on behalf of the USSR. Comment It is still pretty hard to discuss anything Soviet. Mention health care or education and one is charged with denying Soviet reality. Mention developing an industrial infrastructure without a stock market or class of capitalist owning the material factors of production and one is charged with denying the existence of the gulag. Mention the gulag and one is charged with minimizing the stranglehold of the party on social life. Mention anything Soviet and one is charged with all kinds of crimes and sins against humanity. Ralph, you fit somewhat into this mix. When I mention the Soviet Textbook of Marxist Philosophy as a bench mark you see red and go ballistic. Why, I am not sure. I do not crap - shit, on history. Nor do I ever feel a compulsion to justify what happened as history. Take away slavery and many of us cease to exist. One can criticize their judges 24/7. I answer history's questions and event with a how and then a why based on the how. Some approach the issue with why and then how. Some on the left and right, bourgeois and communist, deny the evolution of the terrorist legal and extra legal aspects of the state power took place directly under Lenin's command. On one list Soviet Legacy I basically mentioned all the key points in the Lenin entry - (although I had gotten the source material decades ago), and was charged with relying upon material from Robert Conquest. Really, and interestingly this charged was leveled by a Marxist of a Trotskyist heritage. The Stalin regime evolved and expanded this terroristic organization of state power. Nothing scares me Ralph, other than my own weaknesses and inability to prepare the next generation at the velocity they are demanding new information. WL. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Wiki Lenin
Well, feel free to make corrections in that article. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant -- Original Message -- From: c b cb31...@gmail.com To: a-l...@lists.econ.utah.edu, Forum for the discussion of theoretical issues raised by Karl Marx and the thinkers he inspired marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism-Thaxis] Wiki Lenin Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:38:08 -0500 I wonder if wikipedia distorts Lenin biography. CB Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=a-BNBMuS63-kjj4cs-AacwAAJ1AP8ttsZd_TbiVxkZxsC3mBAAYAAADNAAASQwA= ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Wiki Lenin
When I made corrections in the Coleman Young article, they put back in what was up before my corrections. When I wrote to the person who seemed to be one of the moderators for that particular wiki-biography, I never heard back. The corrections I made to the Victor Perlo site were deleted and previous distortions reiterated. I can imagine what would happen if one tried to correct Lenin's site. smile Wiki might not quite be as advertised , but i'm not exactly surprised. Smile On 2/16/10, farmela...@juno.com farmela...@juno.com wrote: Well, feel free to make corrections in that article. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant -- Original Message -- From: c b cb31...@gmail.com To: a-l...@lists.econ.utah.edu, Forum for the discussion of theoretical issues raised by Karl Marx and the thinkers he inspired marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism-Thaxis] Wiki Lenin Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:38:08 -0500 I wonder if wikipedia distorts Lenin biography. CB Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=a-BNBMuS63-kjj4cs-AacwAAJ1AP8ttsZd_TbiVxkZxsC3mBAAYAAADNAAASQwA= ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Wiki Lenin
In a message dated 2/16/2010 5:52:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, _cb31...@gmail.com_ (mailto:cb31...@gmail.com) writes: When I made corrections in the Coleman Young article, they put back in what was up before my corrections. When I wrote to the person who seemed to be one of the moderators for that particular wiki-biography, I never heard back. Comment I have made a couple of corrections to Vikki which was rejected UNTIL I cited other source material. One correction was on the 1967 Detroit rebellion. In my opinion one is going to encounter barriers dealing with anything Detroit. This Lenin things is more complicated and becomes even more complicated because sectarian groups have competing interest in Lenin. For instance where the article on Lenin speaks of his attitude about what is required for a communist state, one could correct this by citing Lenin writings articulating his concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat rather than a communist state. I did find the following assertion curesou to say the least: Even when the health of Lenin began to flag in 1921, it is unclear why his comrades did not seek out more ways to reduce the strain on him, whereas other communist leaders such as Trotsky would routinely take time off and engage in recreation. When Lenin was examined by doctors in March 1922, no evidence of nervous or other pathology was found, but in light of the strong headaches he was experiencing, as well as evidence of over-exhaustion, it was recommended that he take time off to recover. The first sentence is meant to say exactly what? Then if I had to name Lenin most celebrated writings it would probable differ from everyone else celebrated writings. Go figure. WL. This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from _http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm_ (http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm) ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Wiki Lenin
Some oddities. Seems to be a largely pro-Lenin narrative, rather than anti-, or neutral as mandated. I do not know who the traditional Marxists are that think Lenin deviated from Marxism. I'd like to know why Lenin's gramophone recording against anti-Semitism was suppressed. Given what Russia was, I'm guessing few copies would be sold. There is remarkable objectivity about the Red Terror, an object of controversy in the discussion of this entry. Oddly, though, there is less controversy over the article than I would have expected, from either those who hate Lenin or those whol still feel the need to lie on behalf of the USSR. At 08:52 AM 2/16/2010, c b wrote: When I made corrections in the Coleman Young article, they put back in what was up before my corrections. When I wrote to the person who seemed to be one of the moderators for that particular wiki-biography, I never heard back. The corrections I made to the Victor Perlo site were deleted and previous distortions reiterated. I can imagine what would happen if one tried to correct Lenin's site. smile Wiki might not quite be as advertised , but i'm not exactly surprised. Smile On 2/16/10, farmela...@juno.com farmela...@juno.com wrote: Well, feel free to make corrections in that article. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant -- Original Message -- From: c b cb31...@gmail.com To: a-l...@lists.econ.utah.edu, Forum for the discussion of theoretical issues raised by Karl Marx and the thinkers he inspired marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism-Thaxis] Wiki Lenin Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:38:08 -0500 I wonder if wikipedia distorts Lenin biography. CB ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
