Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * RKOB says: 'Chris Slee says:”RKOB ignores the occupation of Afrin by Turkey.” 'Answer: not true!' I didn't mean you have never said anything about the occupation, just that you didn't mention it when discussing the talks between the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria and the Assad regime. The SDF might be hoping for some form of support in their campaign to drive the Turkish occupation forces out of Afrin. This seems unlikely at present. But if Assad were to conclude that Erdogan intends to occupy parts of northern Syria permanently, he might decide to give some aid to the SDF to put pressure on Turkey to leave Afrin. Chris Slee From: Marxism on behalf of RKOB via Marxism Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 11:21 PM To: Chris Slee Subject: Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Chris Slee says: “RKOB quotes praise for the YPG and SDF by US generals.This just reflects cooperation between the SDF and the US in the fight against ISIS, something I have never denied.” Well, do you want to suggest that the relationship between the US and YPG/SDF is one of cooperation between equals? On one hand we have the biggest imperialist power of the world and on the other a petty-bourgeois nationalist militia representing an important sector of the Kurdish minority in Syria. Really, one does not to be Einstein to understand that this is not a relationship of equals but a hierarchical relationship with US imperialism in the command. This is also one reason, by the way, why the YPG/SDF fights for US interests (as well as its own nationalist interests) in Arab territories with hardly any or none at all Kurdish population. This is why the YPG/SDF acts as national oppressors in the Arab-populated territories in Eastern Syria. Chris Slee says:”RKOB ignores the occupation of Afrin by Turkey.” Answer: not true! See our statement with the very title “Syria: No to Turkey’s Attack on Afrin! Defend the Syrian Revolution against Annihilation!”, https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/no-to-turkey-s-attack-on-afrin/ Syria: No to Turkey’s Attack on Afrin! Defend the Syrian ...<https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/no-to-turkey-s-attack-on-afrin/> www.thecommunists.net The Syrian Revolution must reject sectarianism and strive to create multinational unity among Arabs, Turks and Kurds! Rally all forces against the Assadist-Iranian-Russian Aggression in Idlib! (see also the collection of all our articles on Syria: https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/collection-of-articles-on-the-syrian-revolution/) Chris Slee asks: ”If the SDF are the "foot soldiers" of US imperialism, why did the US do nothing to stop the Turkish invasion of Afrin?” Answer: because the YPG/SDF is too small and weak to satisfy the interests of US imperialism in Syria. Washington needs more and stronger allies and hopes to win over Turkey in one way or another. But, as we have seen since some time, this is highly difficult and contradictory. Turkey would be a very insecure ally. So Washington is manoeuvring and tries to keep YPG/SDF and at the same to improve cooperation with the Erdoğan regime. Personally, I think it is entirely possible that the alliance between US imperialism and the YPG/SDF could end at some point. This could be the case when the US no longer needs them as foot soldiers. This could be the case either if the US has found a stronger ally (Turkey comes into mind). Or if the US completely withdraws from Syria. But the US-YPG alliance would not end because of any anti-imperialist impetus of the YPG/SDF but because Washington has found a better mercenary. In this context it is possible that the YPG/SDF finally joins the camp of Assad and Russian imperialism. No improvement to the present situation. Just a replacement of one bloody reactionary master by another. -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net<http://www.thecommunists.net>) www.rkob.net<http://www.rkob.net> ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * People voted in Democratic Northern Syria Federation elections: https://anfenglishmobile.com/rojava/people-voted-in-democratic-northern-syria-federation-elections-22286 Foza Yusif: “Elections sent a strong message”: https://anfenglishmobile.com/features/foza-yusif-elections-sent-a-strong-message-23573 Northern Syria election results announced: <https://anfenglishmobile.com/features/foza-yusif-elections-sent-a-strong-message-23573>https://anfenglishmobile.com/rojava/northern-syria-election-results-announced-23501 From: Jason Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2018 3:22 AM To: Chris Slee; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition Subject: Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Chris Slee via Marxism mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>> wrote: But this cooperation does not amount to US occupation of SDF controlled areas. The people of these areas govern themselves through their own democratic institutions. Without wanting to distract attention from mkaradjis's important email, I'd like Chris to share evidence that SDF controlled areas are governed by the local populations through "democratic institutions." _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Chris Slee via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > But this cooperation does not amount to US occupation of SDF controlled > areas. The people of these areas govern themselves through their own > democratic institutions. > Without wanting to distract attention from mkaradjis's important email, I'd like Chris to share evidence that SDF controlled areas are governed by the local populations through "democratic institutions." _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Chris rejects Michael Probsting’s description of Idlib (actually ‘Greater Idlib, which includes northern Hama, southern and western Aleppo, and part of northern Latakia) as "the last remaining liberated area", because “the Turkish army has bases in Idlib, and much of the province is controlled by groups which are Turkish proxies.” Yet in his latest response, Chris rejects Michael’s description of northeastern Syria as “occupied by the US,” because, according to Chris, “If the presence of some foreign troops in an area amounts to "occupation", then Idlib is occupied by Turkey (something that RKOB has denied).” But Chris refers to “the Turkish occupation of Idlib.” So I am confused. Either both Greater Idlib and Greater Rojava (ie, including Raqqa etc) are occupied, or both are liberated, with “some foreign troops.” To clarify, I think we all agree that Afrin is under Turkish occupation. As for the northern Aleppo border region between Azaz and Jarablus via al-Bab, there is a kind of Turkish occupation, but one which appears to be overwhelmingly, if often grudgingly, supported by the local Arab and Turkmen population of that region. But in Idlib we are only talking about a few Turkish observation posts, which are there to prevent the rebels going on the offensive against Assad, and in theory to prevent Assad from going on the offensive against the rebels (which of course does not work). In no sense is Idlib itself under “Turkish occupation.” Perhaps it is an exaggeration to also describe Rojava as under US occupation; as in Idlib and even northern Aleppo, the forces on the ground (the SDF) run their show. But there are a lot more than “some foreign troops.” According to this map (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcR-QszW4AAe6hP.jpg), there are 11 US military bases in SDF-controlled Greater Rojava (and one French base), while of course there are zero US bases in any of the areas controlled (or that were ever controlled) by the Syrian rebels, who many liked to slander as “US proxies” (while usually giving a pass to the YPG/SDF!!). There are known to be some 2000 US troops in Rojava. Seems to me that makes Greater Rojava every bit as “occupied” as the Azaz-Jarablus stretch is by Turkey; neither are fully occupied in the Afrin sense; and both a lot more so than Greater Idlib, which is indeed the only remaining fully free territory. And when discussing “occupation”, we always need to keep in mind that the part of Syria most fully under foreign imperialist and regional reactionary occupation is the part controlled by the Assad regime, which is so entirely dependent for its survival on Russian imperialism and Iran that it is essentially a satrapy. Separate to the question of “occupation” or otherwise, it is correct to describe Greater Idlib as liberated territory. Revolution and liberation are not concepts that can be measured simply by a description of the political orientation of the armed groups present. If the entire conflict were just between the Assad regime and various “armed groups”, such groups would have been crushed years ago, given their pathetic level of armament in the face of a massively armed dictatorship with the full backing of a superpower and a major regional power. The armed groups, whether we are talking about the FSA, Islamists, even HTS, and whatever degree some may be collaborating with Turkey or even “proxified” or otherwise, do not determine the state of the region. Countless articles, studies, research, for anybody interested in reading (and a warning, this does require going beyond the Apoist media outlets) have described the people’s movements, their continued resistance, to HTS’s anti-democratic encroachments, and also to other brigades often enough. Revolutionary councils, LCCs, civil organisations etc that continue to act in as-democratic-a-fashion-as-possible given the atmosphere of years of Assad siege and bombardment, including free elections etc. The presence of the armed groups is part of the defence of this little piece of freedom the people have cut out from the horrific regime; many are simply the neighbours and family members of civil oppositionists and ordinary civilians; the groups are thus unable to fully impose the level of repression some may want to (especially HTS); yet at the same time, the long-term military presence does lead to extensive violations, to many of these groups being only an imperfect, at best, armed representation of the revolutionary masses. I must say I’ve been stunned over the years when everyone wants to know if there are any “left-wing” armed groups, as if that is the measure of whether or not there is some kind of revolutio
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Chris Slee says: “RKOB quotes praise for the YPG and SDF by US generals.This just reflects cooperation between the SDF and the US in the fight against ISIS, something I have never denied.” Well, do you want to suggest that the relationship between the US and YPG/SDF is one of cooperation between equals? On one hand we have the biggest imperialist power of the world and on the other a petty-bourgeois nationalist militia representing an important sector of the Kurdish minority in Syria. Really, one does not to be Einstein to understand that this is not a relationship of equals but a hierarchical relationship with US imperialism in the command. This is also one reason, by the way, why the YPG/SDF fights for US interests (as well as its own nationalist interests) in Arab territories with hardly any or none at all Kurdish population. This is why the YPG/SDF acts as national oppressors in the Arab-populated territories in Eastern Syria. Chris Slee says:”RKOB ignores the occupation of Afrin by Turkey.” Answer: not true! See our statement with the very title “Syria: No to Turkey’s Attack on Afrin! Defend the Syrian Revolution against Annihilation!”, https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/no-to-turkey-s-attack-on-afrin/ (see also the collection of all our articles on Syria: https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/collection-of-articles-on-the-syrian-revolution/) Chris Slee asks: ”If the SDF are the "foot soldiers" of US imperialism, why did the US do nothing to stop the Turkish invasion of Afrin?” Answer: because the YPG/SDF is too small and weak to satisfy the interests of US imperialism in Syria. Washington needs more and stronger allies and hopes to win over Turkey in one way or another. But, as we have seen since some time, this is highly difficult and contradictory. Turkey would be a very insecure ally. So Washington is manoeuvring and tries to keep YPG/SDF and at the same to improve cooperation with the Erdoğan regime. Personally, I think it is entirely possible that the alliance between US imperialism and the YPG/SDF could end at some point. This could be the case when the US no longer needs them as foot soldiers. This could be the case either if the US has found a stronger ally (Turkey comes into mind). Or if the US completely withdraws from Syria. But the US-YPG alliance would not end because of any anti-imperialist impetus of the YPG/SDF but because Washington has found a better mercenary. In this context it is possible that the YPG/SDF finally joins the camp of Assad and Russian imperialism. No improvement to the present situation. Just a replacement of one bloody reactionary master by another. -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * RKOB quotes praise for the YPG and SDF by US generals. This just reflects cooperation between the SDF and the US in the fight against ISIS, something I have never denied. But this cooperation does not amount to US occupation of SDF controlled areas. The people of these areas govern themselves through their own democratic institutions. RKOB ignores the occupation of Afrin by Turkey. The invasion was carried out with the support of Russia and the acquiescence of the US. If the SDF are the "foot soldiers" of US imperialism, why did the US do nothing to stop the Turkish invasion of Afrin? RKOB says that the Turkish army "created 12 observation positions at the demarcation line between free Idlib and the Assad-controlled territory". Actually the first 3 "observation positions" (military bases) were on the border between HTS controlled territory in Idlib and SDF controlled Afrin. They were part of the preparation for the invasion of Afrin. So HTS, at the very least, collaborated with Turkey in the preparations for the invasion of Afrin. Chris Slee From: Marxism on behalf of RKOB via Marxism Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 1:43:55 AM To: Chris Slee Subject: Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This seems to me a particularly clumsy attempt to whitewash the role of the YPG/SDF as foot soldiers of U.S. imperialism. As it is widely known, the YPG/SDF leadership and the U.S. military have closely worked together during numerous military operations. The U.S. Air Force has given support to the YPG troops. The U.S. has armed the YPG, and so on. (See on this e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_Forces#Support_by_the_United_States,_France_and_other_Western_nations) This is why the US military has repeatedly and openly praised the YPG as their foot soldiers. As we reported in a past article, US General Dunford praised the YPG as the US “partners” on the ground in Syria. (“/We have 50,000 partners on the ground./”, https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/revelations-of-u-s-general-on-washington-s-allies-in-syria/) Maj. Gen. James Jarrard, the commander of US Special Operations against the Islamic State, also praised the YPG/SDF: “/They have an indomitable will. They have been ferocious fighters and excellent leaders and pretty amazing tacticians./” (https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/1359137/department-of-defense-press-briefing-by-general-jarrard-via-teleconference-from/) And Gen. Joseph Votel, the commander of US Central Command, told a congressional committee that the Kurdish-led fighters constitute “/the most effective force on the ground in Syria against ISIS/.” (https://armedservices.house.gov/legislation/hearings/terrorism-and-iran-defense-challenges-middle-east) Chris Slee may deny all this out of political embarrassment but the US imperialists openly acknowledge the value of the YPG for Washington goals! In contrast, the Turkish army or its air force didn’t join the HTS a single time in any of its operation against the Assadist forces! Hence, Ankara does not praise the role of the HTS. Quite the opposite, as we have shown in past articles, the Erdoğan regime has desired since long to subordinate or smash the HTS. (See e.g. https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/syria-towards-the-final-battle-in-idlib/; , https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/syria-idlib-the-attack-of-the-astana-conspirators-could-be-repelled-thus-far/; https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/turkey-s-hidden-war-against-hts-in-idlib/) How silly for Chris Slee to equate the role of the YPG with that of the HTS! As a result, Idlib is certainly not occupied by the Turkish army (until now). The later has created 12 observation positions at the demarcation line between free Idlib and the Assad-controlled territory. This is bad enough but still the Turkish army does not move around freely inside Idlib. This is in contrast to the role of the U.S. in YPG/SDF controlled areas! -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net<http://www.thecommunists.net>) www.rkob.net<http://www.rkob.
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * From the "depth" of Nick Fredman's "arguments" I can only conclude that the supporters of Green Left Weekly and the YPG have shot their bolt. Am 07.08.2018 um 05:41 schrieb Nick Fredman via Marxism: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * As Chris has demonstrated Probsting’s article contains as much evidence of SDF-Assad collaboration as badly photoshopped images of YPG and SAA flags flying together in Aleppo, or the articles a few years ago in Syrian and Turkish state media uncritically shared IIRC by Louis among others in which Assad claimed to have armed the YPG. Assad didn’t get around to sharing the documents he claimed to have on this, but whom amongst us hasn’t lost some receipts down the back of the couch? On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 11:06 am, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/6/18 9:02 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: Lucky RKOB wasn’t around to give heroic keyboard advice to Tito and Ho Chi Minh about never collaborating with the US, or theremight still be a Nazi occupation of Yugoslavia and a Japanese imperial occupation of Vietnam. I think the analogy might be more like Bandera collaborating with the Nazis. _ Full posting guidelines at:http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/nick.j.fredman%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at:http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at:http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/aktiv%40rkob.net -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/6/18 9:02 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: > > Lucky RKOB wasn’t around to give heroic keyboard advice to Tito and Ho Chi > Minh about never collaborating with the US, or theremight still be a Nazi > occupation of Yugoslavia and a Japanese imperial occupation of Vietnam. Louis: > I think the analogy might be more like Bandera collaborating with the Nazis. I assume Louis is referring to the possibility of the PYD collaborating directly with the Assad regime, including its vile hints of helping it attack Idlib, rather than its collaboration with the US, which, problematic as it is in countless ways, is directed against ISIS and so cannot be compared to Bandera etc. I think that Chris and Nick are right that at this stage that is only conjecture, but the PYD's opportunism and extraordinary blind spots are open to all in the way they make statements that even leave such a possibility open. Collaborating with a regime that has just released over 8000 death certificates for those it has held in detention for years (which says nothing of the 80,000 whose whereabouts is unknown) and which right now is arresting and killing activists who signed onto its various "reconciliation" agreements just so as to stop getting bombed, would indeed be 'Banderite' and I hope the PYD doesn't go down that path. I assume Nick's comparison of Tito and Ho with the PYD refers to their collaboration with US imperialism to defeat ISIS, rather than the possibility of collaborating with Assad. Leaving specifics aside, let's say OK. Here's a question for Nick, Chris and anyone else who would like to answer, especially people who took part in grotesque "No war on Syria" rallies when the US theatrically hit a few empty buildings some months ago, where not a soul was even hurt, but who never protested years of US bombing Syria on behalf of the YPG, even though it killed 2000 civilians and reduced the city of Raqqa to total ruins. Here it is: Would your Tito/Ho Chi Minh analogy also have applied to the FSA/rebels if the US had entered the war on their side by bombing Assad's forces to bits, reducing some Assad-held cities to rubble, and killed thousands of civilians, to facilitate an FSA entry into Damascus? On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > As Chris has demonstrated Probsting’s article contains as much evidence of > SDF-Assad collaboration as badly photoshopped images of YPG and SAA flags > flying together in Aleppo, or the articles a few years ago in Syrian and > Turkish state media uncritically shared IIRC by Louis among others in which > Assad claimed to have armed the YPG. Assad didn’t get around to sharing the > documents he claimed to have on this, but whom amongst us hasn’t lost some > receipts down the back of the couch? > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 11:06 am, Louis Proyect via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > >> POSTING RULES & NOTES >> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >> * >> >> On 8/6/18 9:02 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: >> > >> > Lucky RKOB wasn’t around to give heroic keyboard advice to Tito and Ho >> Chi >> > Minh about never collaborating with the US, or theremight still be a Nazi >> > occupation of Yugoslavia and a Japanese imperial occupation of Vietnam. >> >> I think the analogy might be more like Bandera collaborating with the >> Nazis. >> _ >> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >> Set your options at: >> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/nick.j.fredman%40gmail.com > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * As Chris has demonstrated Probsting’s article contains as much evidence of SDF-Assad collaboration as badly photoshopped images of YPG and SAA flags flying together in Aleppo, or the articles a few years ago in Syrian and Turkish state media uncritically shared IIRC by Louis among others in which Assad claimed to have armed the YPG. Assad didn’t get around to sharing the documents he claimed to have on this, but whom amongst us hasn’t lost some receipts down the back of the couch? On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 11:06 am, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On 8/6/18 9:02 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: > > > > Lucky RKOB wasn’t around to give heroic keyboard advice to Tito and Ho > Chi > > Minh about never collaborating with the US, or theremight still be a Nazi > > occupation of Yugoslavia and a Japanese imperial occupation of Vietnam. > > I think the analogy might be more like Bandera collaborating with the > Nazis. > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/nick.j.fredman%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/6/18 9:02 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: Lucky RKOB wasn’t around to give heroic keyboard advice to Tito and Ho Chi Minh about never collaborating with the US, or theremight still be a Nazi occupation of Yugoslavia and a Japanese imperial occupation of Vietnam. I think the analogy might be more like Bandera collaborating with the Nazis. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Lucky RKOB wasn’t around to give heroic keyboard advice to Tito and Ho Chi Minh about never collaborating with the US, or theremight still be a Nazi occupation of Yugoslavia and a Japanese imperial occupation of Vietnam. But RKOB is right that it would be silly to equate the misogynist racist reactionaries of HTS with the multiethnic feminist leftists of the SDF. On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 3:31 am, RKOB via Marxism wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > This seems to me a particularly clumsy attempt to whitewash the role of > the YPG/SDF as foot soldiers of U.S. imperialism. As it is widely known, > the YPG/SDF leadership and the U.S. military have closely worked > together during numerous military operations. The U.S. Air Force has > given support to the YPG troops. The U.S. has armed the YPG, and so on. > (See on this e.g. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_Forces#Support_by_the_United_States,_France_and_other_Western_nations > ) > ... > How silly for Chris Slee to equate the role of the YPG with that of the > HTS! > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This seems to me a particularly clumsy attempt to whitewash the role of the YPG/SDF as foot soldiers of U.S. imperialism. As it is widely known, the YPG/SDF leadership and the U.S. military have closely worked together during numerous military operations. The U.S. Air Force has given support to the YPG troops. The U.S. has armed the YPG, and so on. (See on this e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_Forces#Support_by_the_United_States,_France_and_other_Western_nations) This is why the US military has repeatedly and openly praised the YPG as their foot soldiers. As we reported in a past article, US General Dunford praised the YPG as the US “partners” on the ground in Syria. (“/We have 50,000 partners on the ground./”, https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/revelations-of-u-s-general-on-washington-s-allies-in-syria/) Maj. Gen. James Jarrard, the commander of US Special Operations against the Islamic State, also praised the YPG/SDF: “/They have an indomitable will. They have been ferocious fighters and excellent leaders and pretty amazing tacticians./” (https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/1359137/department-of-defense-press-briefing-by-general-jarrard-via-teleconference-from/) And Gen. Joseph Votel, the commander of US Central Command, told a congressional committee that the Kurdish-led fighters constitute “/the most effective force on the ground in Syria against ISIS/.” (https://armedservices.house.gov/legislation/hearings/terrorism-and-iran-defense-challenges-middle-east) Chris Slee may deny all this out of political embarrassment but the US imperialists openly acknowledge the value of the YPG for Washington goals! In contrast, the Turkish army or its air force didn’t join the HTS a single time in any of its operation against the Assadist forces! Hence, Ankara does not praise the role of the HTS. Quite the opposite, as we have shown in past articles, the Erdoğan regime has desired since long to subordinate or smash the HTS. (See e.g. https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/syria-towards-the-final-battle-in-idlib/; , https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/syria-idlib-the-attack-of-the-astana-conspirators-could-be-repelled-thus-far/; https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/turkey-s-hidden-war-against-hts-in-idlib/) How silly for Chris Slee to equate the role of the YPG with that of the HTS! As a result, Idlib is certainly not occupied by the Turkish army (until now). The later has created 12 observation positions at the demarcation line between free Idlib and the Assad-controlled territory. This is bad enough but still the Turkish army does not move around freely inside Idlib. This is in contrast to the role of the U.S. in YPG/SDF controlled areas! -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * 1. The fact that the SDF is cooperating with the US to fight against ISIS does not mean that the US is "occupying" SDF controlled areas. If the presence of some foreign troops in an area amounts to "occupation", then Idlib is occupied by Turkey (something that RKOB has denied). HTS forces accompanied the Turkish troops when they first moved into Idlib. So you could say HTS helped Turkey to "occupy" part of Syria. Despite some tension between HTS and Turkey, HTS has not (as far as I am aware) made any attempt to drive the occupying Turkish army out. 2. The SDF is currently waging a guerrilla war against the occupying Turkish army in Afrin. If there was to be a military agreement between the SDF and Assad (something which is hypothetical, not a reality at present), SDF would certainly expect help from Assad in the fight to drive the Turkish occupiers out. 3. RKOB speculates that the SDF will help Assad to invade Idlib. But the SDF's priority will be to liberate Afrin from Turkish occupation. I doubt that they would invade Idlib just for Assad's benefit. Chris Slee From: Marxism on behalf of RKOB via Marxism Sent: Monday, 6 August 2018 5:01:07 PM To: Chris Slee Subject: Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Comments on Chris Slee’s Reply 1) Chris Slee writes: “I did however describe HTS as reactionary and hostile to the democratic goals of the 2011 revolution.” Everything is relative: in relation to a socialist point of view the HTS’s goals are reactionary. In relation to the YPG’s policy they are definitely less reactionary! The YPG/SDF has helped US imperialism to occupy parts of Syria. And now it looks to reach a deal with the monstrous Assad regime. This is definitely more reactionary than any of the HTS goals! 2) Chris Slee writes: “But it seems to me that the SDF would only agree to military cooperation if it included action against the Turkish occupation of Afrin.” Why should the YPG/SDF “only agree to military cooperation if it included action against the Turkish occupation of Afrin? They did agree to military cooperation with US imperialism for years without a single shot fired against the Turkish army! 3) Chris Slee writes: “This would imply the breakdown of relations between the Assad regime and Turkey - in other words, the end of the Astana agreement.” That might be true. But one can end the Astana agreement from a progressive and from a reactionary point of view. Breaking the Astana agreement by a full-blown bloody invasion of Idlib and the slaughter of tens of thousands of Syrians (and all with the help of the YPG/SDF mercenaries) would be a reactionary tragedy! It would be the bloodiest version of counter-revolution! -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net<http://www.thecommunists.net>) www.rkob.net<http://www.rkob.net> ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/chris_w_slee%40hotmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Comments on Chris Slee’s Reply 1) Chris Slee writes: “I did however describe HTS as reactionary and hostile to the democratic goals of the 2011 revolution.” Everything is relative: in relation to a socialist point of view the HTS’s goals are reactionary. In relation to the YPG’s policy they are definitely less reactionary! The YPG/SDF has helped US imperialism to occupy parts of Syria. And now it looks to reach a deal with the monstrous Assad regime. This is definitely more reactionary than any of the HTS goals! 2) Chris Slee writes: “But it seems to me that the SDF would only agree to military cooperation if it included action against the Turkish occupation of Afrin.” Why should the YPG/SDF “only agree to military cooperation if it included action against the Turkish occupation of Afrin? They did agree to military cooperation with US imperialism for years without a single shot fired against the Turkish army! 3) Chris Slee writes: “This would imply the breakdown of relations between the Assad regime and Turkey - in other words, the end of the Astana agreement.” That might be true. But one can end the Astana agreement from a progressive and from a reactionary point of view. Breaking the Astana agreement by a full-blown bloody invasion of Idlib and the slaughter of tens of thousands of Syrians (and all with the help of the YPG/SDF mercenaries) would be a reactionary tragedy! It would be the bloodiest version of counter-revolution! -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * 1. On HTS: It does appear that relations between Turkey and HTS are currently hostile, despite the fact that Turkish troops were accompanied by HTS forces when they first entered Idlib province. When SDF spokespeople said that "Jabhat al-Nusra" members participated in the invasion of Afrin, I assumed they were referring to HTS. But perhaps they were referring to former Nusra members recruited into Turkey's proxy forces. In my most recent message I did not say that HTS is a Turkish proxy. I referred to Ahrar al-Sham and Faylaq al-Sham as proxy forces I did however describe HTS as reactionary and hostile to the democratic goals of the 2011 revolution. 2. On speculation about a deal between the SDF and Assad: I don't know what has been discussed between the SDF and the Assad regime. But it seems to me that the SDF would only agree to military cooperation if it included action against the Turkish occupation of Afrin. This would imply the breakdown of relations between the Assad regime and Turkey - in other words, the end of the Astana agreement. This has not happened up to now. It is a hypothetical possibility that the SDF might perhaps be exploring. While unlikely, I would not rule it out completely. Assad is probably not entirely happy with Turkey's occupation of a significant amount of Syrian territory. If it appears that Erdogan wants to continue the occupation indefinitely, Assad might try to use support for the SDF as a pressure tactic to get him to withdraw. Chris Slee From: Marxism on behalf of RKOB via Marxism Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2018 3:36:28 PM To: Chris Slee Subject: Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Chris Slee criticized our article on the looming Assadist onslaught against Idlib (https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/syria-towards-the-final-battle-in-idlib/) In reply I would like to say the following: Chris Slee writes: “Michael Probsting describes Idlib as "the last remainng liberated area". But the Turkish army has bases in Idlib, and much of the province is controlled by groups which are Turkish proxies.” To be precise, the Turkish army has 12 “observations positions” at the demarcation line between the rebels and the Assadist/Russian/Iranian forces. Yes, as we have explained in past articles, Turkey tries to get influence over the region and instrumentalizes the Astana factions for this purpose (see e.g. https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/the-turkish-russian-invasion-against-idlib-has-begun/) But if Turkey would really control Idlib, there would be much less problems for Putin, Rouhani, and Erdoğan and they could implement their Astana agreements in Idlib without major complications (as they have just done in Deraa in the Southwest). Chris Slee has always claimed that HTS is a proxy of Turkey. This has been the propaganda line of the YPG/SDF – the servants of US imperialism. We have always denied this and provided numerous facts for this (see e.g. https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/turkey-s-hidden-war-against-hts-in-idlib/) I have no intention to repeat all what has been written. But it seems particular silly to me that Chris Slee keeps this slander even now instead of admitting that he was completely wrong! (I remember well how Chris Slee even tried to defend the hilarious accusation of YPG/SDF that the HTS would have joined Turkey’s attack on Afrin!) The whole world – outside of the YPG/SDF bunker – reports about the demands of Damascus, Moscow and Teheran on Erdoğan to clamp down on the HTS and their allies. How can Chris Slee explain all those efforts of Turkey to unite the various FSA factions against HTS? If all factions in Idlib would be Turkish proxies it should be very simply for Ankara to unite them. Obviously this is not the case! Even our enemies are forced to accept this. Look what the Assadists are saying themselves! Al-Watan, a regime paper, wrote yesterday: “/Militants from Al-Nusra Front have rejected Turkey’s demand for dissolution of the terrorist group’s units in Idlib province in Syria’s northwest, according to the Syrian newspaper Al-Watan./ /The developments came after Ankara demanded that al-Nusra Front militan
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Chris Slee criticized our article on the looming Assadist onslaught against Idlib (https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/syria-towards-the-final-battle-in-idlib/) In reply I would like to say the following: Chris Slee writes: “Michael Probsting describes Idlib as "the last remainng liberated area". But the Turkish army has bases in Idlib, and much of the province is controlled by groups which are Turkish proxies.” To be precise, the Turkish army has 12 “observations positions” at the demarcation line between the rebels and the Assadist/Russian/Iranian forces. Yes, as we have explained in past articles, Turkey tries to get influence over the region and instrumentalizes the Astana factions for this purpose (see e.g. https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/the-turkish-russian-invasion-against-idlib-has-begun/) But if Turkey would really control Idlib, there would be much less problems for Putin, Rouhani, and Erdoğan and they could implement their Astana agreements in Idlib without major complications (as they have just done in Deraa in the Southwest). Chris Slee has always claimed that HTS is a proxy of Turkey. This has been the propaganda line of the YPG/SDF – the servants of US imperialism. We have always denied this and provided numerous facts for this (see e.g. https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/turkey-s-hidden-war-against-hts-in-idlib/) I have no intention to repeat all what has been written. But it seems particular silly to me that Chris Slee keeps this slander even now instead of admitting that he was completely wrong! (I remember well how Chris Slee even tried to defend the hilarious accusation of YPG/SDF that the HTS would have joined Turkey’s attack on Afrin!) The whole world – outside of the YPG/SDF bunker – reports about the demands of Damascus, Moscow and Teheran on Erdoğan to clamp down on the HTS and their allies. How can Chris Slee explain all those efforts of Turkey to unite the various FSA factions against HTS? If all factions in Idlib would be Turkish proxies it should be very simply for Ankara to unite them. Obviously this is not the case! Even our enemies are forced to accept this. Look what the Assadists are saying themselves! Al-Watan, a regime paper, wrote yesterday: “/Militants from Al-Nusra Front have rejected Turkey’s demand for dissolution of the terrorist group’s units in Idlib province in Syria’s northwest, according to the Syrian newspaper Al-Watan./ /The developments came after Ankara demanded that al-Nusra Front militants join the so-called “Northern Syrian Army,” which is being formed by the Turkish military./ /Also, Turkey urged al-Nusra Front’s foreign mercenaries to return to the countries from which they arrived and surrender to the law enforcement agencies there./ /Al-Watan reported that Ankara also plans to use the recently established National Liberation Front, made up of several rebel groups, to drive al-Nusra Front terrorists out of Idlib/.” (HTS not disbanding in Idlib, they prepare to fight, 2018-08-04 https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/hts-not-disbanding-in-idlib-they-prepare-to-fight/) Denying the contradictions of reality is not only an assault on dialectic but also on simple common sense. This is even more the case with the particularly original (to use parliamentary language) line of defense of Chris Slee: “/Probsting claims that the YPG has offered to join Assad's assault on Idlib. However the quotation he gives from an interview with Salih Muslim refers to "military operations against Turkish-backed militants in Idlib and Afrin", and says nothing about doing this jointly with Assad./” But how should the YPG/SDF join the attack on Idlib if not in coordination with the Assadist army? The whole liberated area is surrounded by the Assadist forces (except in the North where the Turkish-occupied Afrin is)! It is simply not possible from a military point of view to attack Idlib without coordination with the regime, Russia and Iran! And anyway, what is the context of the YPG leader’s statement that they are ready to attack Idlib? It is their negotiations with Assad in order to make a deal with the regime! The very article from which we quoted the YPG leaders statement is published by a pro-YPG source (Kurdistan24) and is titled: “Kurdish leader reveals details of first meeting with Syrian government”. Or does Chris Slee also want to deny that the YPG/SDF is currently negotiating with the regime? Is this another Trump-like “”Fake News”?! I can only conclude by saying: Chris Slee, please l
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/4/18 7:47 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: Probsting claims that the YPG has offered to join Assad's assault on Idlib. However the quotation he gives from an interview with Salih Muslim refers to "military operations against Turkish-backed militants in Idlib and Afrin", and says nothing about doing this jointly with Assad. As if the YPG and Assad have not collaborated in the past. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Michael Probsting describes Idlib as "the last remainng liberated area". But the Turkish army has bases in Idlib, and much of the province is controlled by groups which are Turkish proxies. So Idlib as a whole is not "liberated". Probsting has in mind the part of Idlib controlled by HTS. It is a bit strange describing an area controlled by such a reactionary group, which is opposed to the democratic goals of the 2011 revolution, as "liberated". Probsting claims that the YPG has offered to join Assad's assault on Idlib. However the quotation he gives from an interview with Salih Muslim refers to "military operations against Turkish-backed militants in Idlib and Afrin", and says nothing about doing this jointly with Assad. The "Turkish-backed militants" are proxy groups which were used as auxiliaries in Turkey's invasion of Afrin - groups such as Ahrar al-Sham and Faylaq al-Sham. But at present the SDF is not in a position to do much about Idlib. Resistance continues in Afrin. There have been a few small scale actions in Idlib against groups involved in Turkey's occupation of Afrin. But the SDF is not in a position to seriously challenge the Turkish occupation of Idlib. Chris Slee From: Marxism on behalf of RKOB via Marxism Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2018 12:01:49 PM To: Chris Slee Subject: [Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/syria-towards-the-final-battle-in-idlib/ -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net<http://www.thecommunists.net>) www.rkob.net<http://www.rkob.net> ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/chris_w_slee%40hotmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Syria: Towards the Final Battle in Idlib
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/africa-and-middle-east/syria-towards-the-final-battle-in-idlib/ -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
