Re: [Marxism] Imperialism and super-exploitation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Argentine Marxist Claudio Katz has recently published a critical assessment of Marini's analysis of imperialism and dependency, as well as another article specifically addressed to controversies over super-exploitation. I will be posting an English translation of the first later today on my blog (will send to this list), and will probably translate the second within a few days. See the original articles at https://katz.lahaine.org/. Richard -Original Message- From: Marxism [mailto:marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick Bond via Marxism Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 12:54 AM To: rfid...@ncf.ca Subject: Re: [Marxism] Imperialism and super-exploitation POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2018/03/12 05:50 AM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism wrote: > As Smith so brilliantly shows, capital in the North restored much of > the fall in its profitability suffered in the 1970s on the back of the > super exploitation of the South: > full at: > https://rdln.wordpress.com/2016/03/09/imperialism-and-super-exploitati > on/ > Thanks Phil, First, it's also good to recall Michael's caveats: "I am not sure that Smith has proved that ‘super-exploitation’ is the dominant characteristic of modern imperialism. As he shows, imperialism of the 19th century also relied on super-exploitation of the masses in the colonies (to the level of slavery) and that, in the industrialisation of imperialist countries like Britain in the late 18th and early 19th century, driving wages below the value of labour power was a powerful factor in the exploitation of labour (see Engels on The condition of the working-class in England). For that matter, super-exploitation is visible in the imperialist economies too..." Second, you might know some of this debate has migrated to the Review of African Political Economy, where the "North" and "South" now also includes disputes over East and West, and the role of spatial processes as part of capital's super-exploitative armory: http://roape.net/2018/01/10/david-harvey-denies-imperialism/ http://roape.net/2018/02/05/realities-ground-david-harvey-replies-john-smith/ However, neither Smith nor Harvey address the full implications of sub-imperial accumulation in the Mauro Marini tradition (a tradition which also centrally stresses the role of super-exploitation). I've nearly finished an intervention along these lines. Anyone else gathering information about these processes? Cheers, Patrick _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/rfidler%40ncf.ca _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Imperialism and super-exploitation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * While I can not provide links, I can send several essays of Marini as well as about him (as a pdf) to those who are interested. Please contact me offline if you want me to send them. Am 12.03.2018 um 06:45 schrieb mkaradjis . via Marxism: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Patrick, can you provide some good links on this "Mauro Marini tradition" regarding sub-imperialism, thanks. On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Patrick Bond via Marxism wrote: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2018/03/12 05:50 AM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism wrote: As Smith so brilliantly shows, capital in the North restored much of the fall in its profitability suffered in the 1970s on the back of the super exploitation of the South: full at: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2016/03/09/imperialism-and-super-exploitation/ Thanks Phil, First, it's also good to recall Michael's caveats: "I am not sure that Smith has proved that ‘super-exploitation’ is the dominant characteristic of modern imperialism. As he shows, imperialism of the 19th century also relied on super-exploitation of the masses in the colonies (to the level of slavery) and that, in the industrialisation of imperialist countries like Britain in the late 18th and early 19th century, driving wages below the value of labour power was a powerful factor in the exploitation of labour (see Engels on The condition of the working-class in England). For that matter, super-exploitation is visible in the imperialist economies too..." Second, you might know some of this debate has migrated to the Review of African Political Economy, where the "North" and "South" now also includes disputes over East and West, and the role of spatial processes as part of capital's super-exploitative armory: http://roape.net/2018/01/10/david-harvey-denies-imperialism/ http://roape.net/2018/02/05/realities-ground-david-harvey-replies-john-smith/ However, neither Smith nor Harvey address the full implications of sub-imperial accumulation in the Mauro Marini tradition (a tradition which also centrally stresses the role of super-exploitation). I've nearly finished an intervention along these lines. Anyone else gathering information about these processes? Cheers, Patrick _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/aktiv%40rkob.net -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Imperialism and super-exploitation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Patrick, can you provide some good links on this "Mauro Marini tradition" regarding sub-imperialism, thanks. On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Patrick Bond via Marxism wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On 2018/03/12 05:50 AM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism wrote: >> >> As Smith so brilliantly shows, capital in the North restored much of the >> fall in its profitability suffered in the 1970s on the back of the super >> exploitation of the South: >> full at: >> https://rdln.wordpress.com/2016/03/09/imperialism-and-super-exploitation/ >> > > Thanks Phil, > > First, it's also good to recall Michael's caveats: "I am not sure that Smith > has proved that ‘super-exploitation’ is the dominant characteristic of > modern imperialism. As he shows, imperialism of the 19th century also > relied on super-exploitation of the masses in the colonies (to the level of > slavery) and that, in the industrialisation of imperialist countries like > Britain in the late 18th and early 19th century, driving wages below the > value of labour power was a powerful factor in the exploitation of labour > (see Engels on The condition of the working-class in England). For that > matter, super-exploitation is visible in the imperialist economies too..." > > Second, you might know some of this debate has migrated to the Review of > African Political Economy, where the "North" and "South" now also includes > disputes over East and West, and the role of spatial processes as part of > capital's super-exploitative armory: > > http://roape.net/2018/01/10/david-harvey-denies-imperialism/ > http://roape.net/2018/02/05/realities-ground-david-harvey-replies-john-smith/ > > However, neither Smith nor Harvey address the full implications of > sub-imperial accumulation in the Mauro Marini tradition (a tradition which > also centrally stresses the role of super-exploitation). I've nearly > finished an intervention along these lines. Anyone else gathering > information about these processes? > > Cheers, > Patrick > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Imperialism and super-exploitation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2018/03/12 05:50 AM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism wrote: As Smith so brilliantly shows, capital in the North restored much of the fall in its profitability suffered in the 1970s on the back of the super exploitation of the South: full at: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2016/03/09/imperialism-and-super-exploitation/ Thanks Phil, First, it's also good to recall Michael's caveats: "I am not sure that Smith has proved that ‘super-exploitation’ is the dominant characteristic of modern imperialism. As he shows, imperialism of the 19th century also relied on super-exploitation of the masses in the colonies (to the level of slavery) and that, in the industrialisation of imperialist countries like Britain in the late 18th and early 19th century, driving wages below the value of labour power was a powerful factor in the exploitation of labour (see Engels on The condition of the working-class in England). For that matter, super-exploitation is visible in the imperialist economies too..." Second, you might know some of this debate has migrated to the Review of African Political Economy, where the "North" and "South" now also includes disputes over East and West, and the role of spatial processes as part of capital's super-exploitative armory: http://roape.net/2018/01/10/david-harvey-denies-imperialism/ http://roape.net/2018/02/05/realities-ground-david-harvey-replies-john-smith/ However, neither Smith nor Harvey address the full implications of sub-imperial accumulation in the Mauro Marini tradition (a tradition which also centrally stresses the role of super-exploitation). I've nearly finished an intervention along these lines. Anyone else gathering information about these processes? Cheers, Patrick _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
