Re: [marxmail] On Frank Kameny

2020-12-18 Thread Mark Lause
Academic disciplines developed and thrive to the extent that they can do things for the people who finance them. The individuals who established some intellectual legitimacy for them did not necessarily choose that role, and those individuals who work within them--are no more responsible than an

Re: [marxmail] On Frank Kameny--PS

2020-12-18 Thread fkalosar101
If you want to know how creepy "traditional" Virginia "gay culture" can be, read Julien Green's beautifully written and thoroughly perverse Terre Lointaine.  Bet you can't stand it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#4593):

Re: [marxmail] On Frank Kameny

2020-12-18 Thread Louis Proyect
I would not group Reuther with the other two. In any case, I'd recommend the documentary on Kameny to those trying to figure out this debate. https://www.amazon.com/Before-Stonewall-Rita-Mae-Brown/dp/B07WK5MC1B/ On 12/18/20 4:37 PM, fkalosar...@yandex.com wrote: Anyway, what about Gompers,

Re: [marxmail] On Frank Kameny

2020-12-18 Thread fkalosar101
I dislike being forced into false positions by people waving holy pictures and praying for blasphemy so they can be outraged.  Present company excepted, there is an awful lot of that on the left. I didn't say anything about class collaborationism.  The people running the Gay Pride show are

Re: [marxmail] On Frank Kameny

2020-12-18 Thread Louis Proyect
I've heard the same argument before. Using the logic that this was class-collaborationism, you would have refrained from struggles to desegregate the army. I generally agree with comrade Kalosar on most questions but not this. Same thing goes for gay marriage. Yes, marriage is a reactionary

Re: [marxmail] On Frank Kameny

2020-12-18 Thread fkalosar101
The Romans had unisex crappers but men and women as a rule bathed separately.  Why is this?  They wore flowing garments that covered the toilet seat and so were not naked when doing their business.  The Romans weren't prudes in the modern sense, but had a lot of, you should excuse it, ticklish

[marxmail] On Frank Kameny

2020-12-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Turning to “The Lavender Scare”, we meet some of the same figures who are featured in “Before Stonewall”. Among them is Frank Kameny, who, while probably well-known to gay activists, deserves much greater recognition from the left in general. Like Rosa Parks, he was someone who stood up to the